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Old 17. Jul 2018, 03:37 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I have Windows 10 on both desktop and laptop. Since the laptop is much older, and also has a problem with the fan, it's slow, but it still boots to the desktop quite quick.

My cousin has newer laptop and has Windows 10 on it, but it boots quite slow, when booted from a complete shutdown. Same is the case with my other cousins too.

Have seen older Windows and they definitely boot slower.

I for one, have been quite happy with Windows 10. It is more strea.mlined and feels faster than Windows 7. Same was with Windows 8, when I used it. Windows 10 seems even better to me.

Yes, I would have liked more control over the updates, like in Windows 7 and earlier, but it's still satisfactory for me. I do have problems with Windows 10, like I don't at all like the Photos app, or other Windows apps. I don't like the Settings panel, compared to the Control Panel, which was really much better. They shouldn't have done away with the pre-installed games like Solitaire LOL.

Still, overall, I am quite happy with Windows 10.
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Old 17. Jul 2018, 04:51 PM   #12 (permalink)
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It is optimised for that - in fact it does not actually shut down, but just saves the session to disk and then reloads it.
If you actually force a complete shut down it will take a lot longer to reboot.
To be precise, the default Windows 8+ shutdown (with fast startup enabled) does not save the user session to disk which is what hibernation does. The hibernation file it creates only contains the kernel image and loaded device drivers from what is now called the system session or the kernel session (session 0).*

These Microsoft articles explain this in more detail:
Windows 8+ fast startup was not possible in Windows 7 although it did have the ability to load the user session (session 1) in parallel with the system session (session 0). See "Diagram 1 - An overview of Windows startup" in my Windows 7 Startup article.

Windows 7 also had ReadyBoot (not the same as ReadyBoost using a USB stick) which sped startup using prefetched files loaded in an optimal sequence from the prefetch folder . See "Table 2 - Windows Kernel Mode: NTOSKRNL.exe" in my Windows 7 Startup Detail article. ReadyBoot still exists in Windows 8+ but it is turned off automatically for SSDs. As far as I know, Windows 7 does not turn off ReadyBoot for SSDs.


* Notice that the term "system session" or "kernel session" are outside the usual meaning of the term session which requires interaction from a person or non-unilateral communication with another computer/device.
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Old 17. Jul 2018, 11:11 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Pre-Windows boot is dependent on the BIOS/hardware/features, a B(for business)-series 'board is almost always a lot faster to get passed on to Windows boot than a Z(enthusiast/overclock/bells and whistles)-series.

Notebooks usually have a B-series type 'simple' BIOS but are frequently crippled later (Windows boot phase) by running single-channel RAM/unnecessary resource-hogging Intel iASTOR packages/slower drives, as well as cut-down versions (esp. U-suffix) of what should be fast CPUs.

Whenever I disabled fast boot on my Ivy 13 Desktop (SSD), it booted/rebooted faster - almost as fast as in W7 (sub-10 seconds Windows boot phase until I could open Taskman to verify the boot time and start my normal browsing session) cf. W10 with fast boot enabled (~2 seconds slower). Shutdown almost always felt significantly slower with 'Fast Boot' but I never time that (don't have a wristwatch/'Smart'phone/mobile).

ReadyBoot/Prefetch would have been better in W7 had MS recoded it to clean out the trash; wasting CPU/drive cycles prefetching/relocating/boot-defragging files for exes that will never run more than once (temp files/installers/unused for months) is simply a complete waste of time and energy. For ReadyBoot/prefetch, files that are used each and every session must be prioritised, not clutter things up with historic one-offs.

Instead "Yeah, that's great as it is, we'll add some extraneous feature that'll slow Shutdown, and might make a mess of a reboot (and Windows) after a driver/System file change... but, on a good day, it'll look like the machine boots/reboots faster".

But, if it shows their handle and selfie on the login screen, some people will put up with it
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Old 18. Jul 2018, 02:57 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Solus Budgie starts up in about 10 seconds (hard to tell with Olympic precision in between selecting it at boot and entering p.w.) and is almost instantly functional.
It shuts down in 1 sec.

-dual boot with Win 10 on SSD.

(Haven't tried out Bunsenlabs yet, one of the few i haven't maybe).

Win 10 takes about 1 min. and a half before it is usable (hard to decipher the margin between loaded and usability) with fast startup disabled.
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Did forget to mention that it takes Windows 10 about 4 sec. to shut down.

@MC - did have a look at Bunsenlabs but it is beyond my intellectual reach at present time.
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Did forget to mention that it takes Windows 10 about 4 sec. to shut down.

@MC - did have a look at Bunsenlabs but it is beyond my intellectual reach at present time.
Openbox is just a bit different to how you would configure say Xfce or KDE but in that respect it will take a little time to get used to it.

If you install BunsenLabs most of the first time stuff is handled by an automated script. All the user has to do is walk through the items presented and answer "y" or "n". Thereafter you can install Synaptic (apt-get install synaptic) and then whatever else you might need using that.

Play around with the tint2 panel options until you find one you like and then edit the config file to add more program launchers, other items and/or change the colors, gradients, sizes, icon theme or anything else you can think of.

There are plenty of online guides.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/tint2

Even ready made scripts you can just copy or use parts thereof.

https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=254

If you mess something up just choose another of the default tint2's from the system settings until you work it out.
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