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Old 03. Aug 2013, 03:47 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Couple questions:
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1. Instead I just have a large directory on D:\ containing it all... ...everything I use runs from D:\Portable Apps.

2. I have quite a few Cameyo programs...

3. ...MooO File Monitor, can be very handy in discovering whether a portable app does this...
1. Is D:\ an actual physical drive or is it a partition you've created on C:\ and named accordingly?

2. I've heard about Cameyo, and I've looked at its description on their site. I figure it will have it's limitations, but generally, how do you find it works? Is it worth giving a try? It isn't clear, but is Cameyo itself portable?

3. I assume you are using the portable version of MooO File Monitor? Again, how do you find it works? Is it worth giving a try?

Sorry if these questions seem redundant, but I'm just curious.
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Old 05. Aug 2013, 10:21 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Not redundant questions at all, curiousity is always good

- D:\ on my laptop is a partition, but on my desktop is a separate HDD. It makes no practical difference though except if my laptop HDD were to die suddenly, but I keep a back up of my Portable Apps folder anyway.

- Cameyo is pretty good yes, and has improved a lot since I first tried it a year or so ago. Yes, it is itself a fully portable program.

It has three ways of creating portable software... 1. You can use the website. I tried that a few times without much success but that it's some time since I last tried it. 2. It has an option to run an installer "virtually", i.e. it makes no changes to your system but captures the install process and builds a portable package from that. I've tried that a few times without much success there either. 3. It does a pre-install scan of your system, then you install your program, then run a post-install scan, and Cameyo then builds a package from that. This method works best for me, and with their latest couple of versions is generally very successful.

My own preferred method is to run Cameyo and the installer inside Virtual Box, which has two main advantages. Firstly, if you have a "vanilla" (i.e. out-of-the-box) installation of Windows, then you can be sure that whatever program you're installing runs fully.
I read somewhere that an installer, if it finds that a necessary file is already present in Windows, will skip installing that file and so Cameyo will not capture all the files a program needs. For instance a program might need a dll file which has already been installed on your PC by some other program, in which case the installer won't install it again. I can't speak for the accuracy of all that though, perhaps someone else can?

The other advantage is that, because you really can't do anything else on your PC while Cameyo is doing its thing to avoid messing up the pre-/post-install scanning (and it takes a while...), running it in Virtual Box means you can just minimise that and then do something else while you wait for Cameyo to finish.

The other advantage of course, is that using Virtual Box means you can run installers without actually installing anything on your main O/S. Aside from keeping your O/S clean this also helps to avoid any nasty surprises in terms of bundled installers etc. And Virtual Box can then be reset to "vanilla" when you've finished, ready for the next project.

I'd say it's definitely worth giving it a try if you have an interest in portable software. It can be a bit hit-and-miss but it's quite easy to use and you can also edit the packaged program afterwards as many times as you like, e.g. add and remove files from it and so on. Useful if you discover that some dll or other has been missed out. It's an interesting exersice if nothing else.

- MooO File Monitor... yes, they do portable versions of most of their stuff. "File Monitor" is perhaps a bit of a misnomer though as it has no option to monitor individual/specific files or directories, it just monitors whole disks for changes. You can add/remove drives from the monitor though, and select filters... e.g. Created/Deleted/Changed etc. It's very useful if you want to know what files/folders a program adds or changes in your O/S.

For monitoring specific locations, Directory Monitor is very good, or System Explorer has a very handy Pre- and Post- snapshot module which can also snapshot the registry and set exemptions if you don't want to snapshot your whole system.
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Old 06. Aug 2013, 01:37 AM   #33 (permalink)
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I suspected D:\ was a partition - at least I'm half right . I'm now exploring and learning about partioning so I won't be trying that just yet. I just wanted to know for future reference.

Cameyo sound interesting from what you described. However, like you, I'd prefer to run it in a virtual environment. Virtual software itself is new to me too. As you know, I had some issues with ToolWiz Time Freeze, and I don't want to try it again. So I'm in the market for a free virtual program. Do you think Virtual Box will work with an Intel Celeron 900 (2.20 GHz) single core processor, 3 GB Ram, and W7x64? I looked at VB's site but I'm still unsure from the info given. BTW, have you decided if you'll write that article about VB? I'm sure you'll do a great job. It would be nice to read such an article too.

I may give MooO File Monitor (portable of course) a run and see if I like it.
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Have used Cameyo, JauntePE, Enigma Virtual Box, Evalazer etc....but I don't think it's worth it to create portables for every new version that comes out by ourselves. It's a hectic task and I leave that to the developers.
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Old 06. Aug 2013, 08:51 PM   #35 (permalink)
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I think Virtual Box would run well enough for you, for the purpose we're discussing here ... for me it runs ok on both my PCs. My laptop is an x64 single core 2.3 Celeron with 2Gb ram, and my desktop is an x86 2.2 Sempron with 2Gb ram.

On the laptop I can minimise Vbox while Cameyo is doing its thing and still do other not-too-demanding stuff in the meantime. On my desktop I can just about do that if I don't mind it running very slowly

So I'd imagine your own hardware should handle it pretty well. There's even a portable version of Virtual Box that you could try out to see how you get on with it. You first need to download this - Portable-Virtual Box - and when you run it you can either point it to the Virtual Box installer which you previously downloaded, or it can download the files itself. Personally I'd recommend downloading the Vbox files yourself as in the past I've found that Portable-Virtual Box hasn't always downloaded the latest version.

The only issue I have with this portable version is that it forgets what virtual machines you've made, so every time you run it you have to remind it where they are located - but that's no great bother, just a minor inconvenience.

Once you've got your virtual Windows 7 up and running (you will need a W7 install disk or ISO of course) the only other thing is that you'll need to set it up so that you have a shared folder, i.e. one that can be accessed by both your main PC and your virtual machine.
This is essential otherwise you can't move files from your virtual machine to your main machine and vice versa. It's not difficult though... I must admit I'd completely forgotten about the article, and haven't even got as far as looking to see if one already exists In the meantime though I'd be happy to send you a walk-through of how to set up a virtual machine for using Cameyo. That would help me rough out an article on the subject too.

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Have used Cameyo, JauntePE, Enigma Virtual Box, Evalazer etc....but I don't think it's worth it to create portables for every new version that comes out by ourselves. It's a hectic task and I leave that to the developers.
I'd forgotten about Evalyzer I downloaded it ages ago but forgot to try it out, I'll do that sometime soon. JauntPE I tried a long time ago but didn't find it at all easy to use, maybe it's changed though, I'm going back at least two or three years. Enigma I've not heard of before, I'll find it and give it a go.

I agree with your point though ... I don't personally find Cameyo hectic or complicated, but you're right it would be time consuming for programs that require regular updates. For practical purposes I only use it for programs that don't update at all or at least not often. E.g. last-freeware versions, or games, or maybe licensed software that I've bought in the past but don't have a license to upgrade any more.

The other thing is that with portable software becoming so popular recently, a lot of devs do release their own portable versions which are much easier to use and update.

That aside though, I guess I have a weird idea of "fun", but I do enjoy messing with software in this way, it can be very educational.
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Old 06. Aug 2013, 09:46 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Thanks for the feedback sicknero. Based on your equipments' specs I feel more confident now about giving Virtual Box a go.

I've already downloaded and burned a W7 disk from Digital River, so that shouldn't be a prob. However, the Vbox.me site seems to be down at the moment, so I'm stalled for now. As soon as I try it I'll let you know how it goes. In the meantime it'll be great to have some notes from you. I think I'll just be trying vBulletin for now though, i.e. without Cameyo. That could always follow later.
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Old 07. Aug 2013, 12:04 AM   #37 (permalink)
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Hmm that's annoying. Vbox me is down for me now as well, though it was working earlier when I posted the link. I just suggested it as a means to try out the program without having to install anything. Hopefully it's just a temporary thing.

It is at least pretty simple to put your virtual machines on a separate drive/partition, so you don't lose them if you have to restore your C:\ drive.

Do let me know if you have any questions in the meantime.
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