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Old 24. Mar 2010, 01:08 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Free Windows Virtual Server 64-bit only

Source: http://www.sdtimes.com/blog/post/201...e-Windows.aspx
Main Site: http://www.microsoft.com/hyper-v-ser...s/default.aspx

Basically this is a free Microsoft Server OS without explorer (and some other things) based on Microsoft Server 2008 R2.
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Old 24. Mar 2010, 05:05 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Can someone please remove the third screenshot? I kind of got carried away there.
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Old 24. Mar 2010, 05:22 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I hope I removed the correct one?!
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Old 25. Mar 2010, 12:00 AM   #4 (permalink)
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@kendall: Yes you did. Thanks.

Anyways, upon closer inspection this seems to be a barebone operating system with very little GUI and mainly controlled by the command line. By barebone I mean most of the services and control panel items are gone, leaving behind mostly core, network, and driver essentials.
At least I can still install programs on it, but software that depends on windows components will not work correctly. Some might not work at all.

So far I've managed to install Q-Dir 64-bit and Emerge Desktop 64-bit Developement Release. Q-Dir works fine for the most part, while Emerge Desktop displays weirdly in gray boxes but is still functional.
There is still no desktop but with Emerge I have a right click menu with basic access to start menu, desktop, quick launch, run, logoff, and shutdown. Accessing My Computer and Recycle Bin via this menu doesn't work because there's no Windows Explorer plus Display Properties doesn't work as well (no control panel item).
How do you access the Recycle Bin (if there's any) without Windows Explorer anyhow?

All in all, this is definitely not a system for a command-line newbie like me, but it's still very interesting.
Once again, I have to emphasize that despite being a Windows OS, it's free.
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Old 25. Mar 2010, 01:45 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Hyper-V was designed to be a bare-metal Hypervisor. It was never intended to be any kind of a server other than a virtual host ready to accept guest OS's. Yes there are basic networking functions, storage management functions, and Active Directory type functions, but this is more to allow you to get the Host onto your existing network so that you can manage it with client tools from a remote workstation.

MS has provided a very nice set of GUI tools that you would load onto any XPSP3 or higher client that takes all the command-line aspects out of the picture.

The reason MS is providing this for free is to jump into the virtual ring with the likes of VMWare EXSi, Citrix XenServer and other bare-metal hypervisors, all who give you their hypervisors and some basic tools for free.

For anyone who is struggling with the bare-metal hypervisor terminology, here is a quick explanation. Like any regular OS, a Hypervisor loads straight to the hard drive (hence bare metal) FIRST. You can then load all your Guest OS's on top of that host OS. This differs from a traditional virtual server setup that normally consists of a host OS (either Linux or Windows), the virtual software/drivers, and then the guest OS. As you can see, there is an extra layer involved.

There are pros and cons to each setup, all of which can be debated in the usual "holy war" manner that geeks tends to utilize to express their irrational and undying loyalty to a single technology.
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Old 25. Mar 2010, 02:34 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Hyper-V was designed to be a bare-metal Hypervisor. It was never intended to be any kind of a server other than a virtual host ready to accept guest OS's. Yes there are basic networking functions, storage management functions, and Active Directory type functions, but this is more to allow you to get the Host onto your existing network so that you can manage it with client tools from a remote workstation.

MS has provided a very nice set of GUI tools that you would load onto any XPSP3 or higher client that takes all the command-line aspects out of the picture.

The reason MS is providing this for free is to jump into the virtual ring with the likes of VMWare EXSi, Citrix XenServer and other bare-metal hypervisors, all who give you their hypervisors and some basic tools for free.

For anyone who is struggling with the bare-metal hypervisor terminology, here is a quick explanation. Like any regular OS, a Hypervisor loads straight to the hard drive (hence bare metal) FIRST. You can then load all your Guest OS's on top of that host OS. This differs from a traditional virtual server setup that normally consists of a host OS (either Linux or Windows), the virtual software/drivers, and then the guest OS. As you can see, there is an extra layer involved.

There are pros and cons to each setup, all of which can be debated in the usual "holy war" manner that geeks tends to utilize to express their irrational and undying loyalty to a single technology.
Oh I see.. Sort of. I get the main idea though.
Checked Wikipedia, and now I'm sure.

BTW where do you get the GUI tools?

Please change the name of this topic into Free Windows Virtual Server 64-bit only (or whatever freedog96150 finds appropriate)
Sorry about asking you guys to edit stuff again
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Please change the name of this topic into Free Windows Virtual Server 64-bit only (or whatever freedog96150 finds appropriate)
Sorry about asking you guys to edit stuff again
Done; as per your request.
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BTW where do you get the GUI tools?
Whoops another mistake.. I'm usually careful of what I post, but I guess I'm a little too excited over this. In other words I forgot the client part (which means guest OS, correct?).

Just to clarify, I'm interested in the Hyper-V OS itself not any client (guest) OS it can run. Currently I'm running it inside VMWare Player.
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I actually use client and Guest OS to mean two different things. In some cases, they CAN be one and the same, but I generally try to keep myself out of those types of situations.

GUEST OS - An operating system loaded as a "guest" onto a virtual server or Host server. In your case, you have Hyper-V loaded into VMWare Player, so VMPlayer is the virtual host while Hyper-V is the Guest OS.

CLIENT - Usually a physical computer that has all of your network management tools installed. I loosely use client to imply any computer connected to the network that accesses network resources. One of those clients is normally my desktop and hence, my control center.

Sorry for the confusion on terminology. Guess my brain clicked off.

I am curious about how you plan to use Hyper-V in your case. Sounds like you have your Host OS in which you are running VMWare Player and then have Hyper-V as a guest on top of that. That is a unique way of setting up Hyper-V in that is is normally used more like you are using VMWare Player now, but on steroids.

I stand corrected on the GUI tool availability. They are for Vista and up. XP will not run the tools.

Here is the info from MS site:
Hyper-V Server Remote Management with Microsoft® Windows Vista SP1

To enable the Microsoft® Windows Vista SP1 Hyper-V Manager MMC,
1. Download and install the Hyper-V MMC for Vista SP1. Please visit http://www.microsoft.com/Hyper-VServer for more information.
2. After the reboot, go to Administrative Tools in the Start Menu and click on the Hyper-V Manager.
3. On the left side of the MMC window, click on Hyper-V Manager.
From the Actions menu, click Connect to Server, select Another Computer and enter the name or IP address of the server you want to connect to.
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Old 26. Mar 2010, 12:46 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I have to say I'm not interested in using it's virtualization or networking features at all (which probably is the whole point of this OS)..
Just trying it out like another desktop OS.. It's based on windows after all.

Anyways I feel sort of silly now and regrets posting this thread because I've got the wrong idea the whole time and nobody else is really replying to this topic.

BTW how does this compare to other hypervisors such as VMware ESXi? You can't install Windows programs on the other ones correct?
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