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Windows 10 Creators' Update. What's Coming? 2 years 4 months ago boristhemoggy

Like a lot of businesses now they do not want to deliver what people want, they deliver what business wants to make yet more money and in order to take yet more personal data. They've been saying for years that Linux is a free and open source product made by and for the people, yet I see no movement in being able to port Windows programs over to Linux, which is the only stumbling block left to many of us.
There are many programs I use on a daily basis which simply can't run in a Linux environment and it is the only one reason I don't start using it exclusively. I have heard that Linux authors make so much money from support for industries who use Linux for things like server support, that there is no motivation to work hard on making it a viable Windows replacement.
I don't really mind Windows even though it's just cobbled together, but I despise the model that we must be happy with what they give us and what they give is not what most want. A true people-driven OS would be modular and be capable of running any program and updates would continually reflect what people want rather than what the business wants.
I'll be blocking this update as I have most of them since I first took Windows 10 when it was forced on me while buying a new computer.

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Windows 10 Editions and Upgrades Announced 4 years 3 months ago valcoff

Do they know what the W10 will cost after the year has come and gone?

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Windows 10 Editions and Upgrades Announced 4 years 3 months ago greyman

Thanks to Gizmo"s and V. Laurie for this (way simpler than anything Microsoft could say) explanation of the different planed releases of Windows 10.

Having gone through the entire process of loosing Windows 7 through the ill fated upgrade process to 8, then 8.1, I am a little wary. For those who did not see it. there was a great Gizmo's article about a replacement for Windows Media Center, which will not work, (I am told) with the new Windows 10 Pro.

I wonder, does anyone know if the new Win 10 just goes into WMC and places all the items saved there into another format? Worth checking out before I lose my photos and videos!

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Windows 10 Editions and Upgrades Announced 4 years 3 months ago DCL

What if anything are MS saying about the OEM tablet edition 'Windows 8.1 with Bing'. Will OEM's be able to offer upgrades or, like phones running Windows Phone 7, will tablet (slate) owners just be forgotten again?

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Windows 10 Editions and Upgrades Announced 4 years 2 months ago v.laurie

I have seen no information on this. If anyone knows more, please let us know.

Update: According to this link, prices will be 119.99 for Windows 10 Home, $199.99 for Windows 10 Pro

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Windows 10 Editions and Upgrades Announced 4 years 3 months ago v.laurie It has been announced that there is no Windows Media Center for Windows 10. I don't know exactly how an existing system with Windows Media Center will be upgraded. Anyone else know? view
Windows 10 Editions and Upgrades Announced 4 years 3 months ago v.laurie As far as I understand it, Windows 8.1 with Bing is basically the same as other 8.1 systems. Microsoft says larger tablets (8" and up) will get the free Windows 10 upgrade. If you have an ARM processor I don't know where that leaves you.What OEMs will offer is unknown. At this time, much is still up in the air. view
Windows 10 Editions and Upgrades Announced 4 years 3 months ago Khanm6

Any idea when mobile devices will be get free upgrade to 10.

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Windows 10 Editions and Upgrades Announced 4 years 3 months ago v.laurie I assume more or less when the PC version is released (end of July?) view
Windows 10 Editions and Upgrades Announced 4 years 3 months ago jhvance

Since it's listed among the eligible upgrade paths, does the new Windows 10 Pro incorporate those additional features that were in Windows 7 Ultimate by comparison with Windows 7 Pro?

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Windows 10 Editions and Upgrades Announced 4 years 3 months ago v.laurie A lot of things already changed with Windows 8/8.1. Features were added, features were dropped. Windows 10 has more changes and is still in development. If there is a particular feature you are interested in, try asking about it from someone who is running a trial copy or ask at our forum http://www.techsupportalert.com/freeware-forum/system/14857-free-upgrade-to-windows-10-a.html view
Windows 10 Editions and Upgrades Announced 4 years 3 months ago AndyR

There is a handful of Windows update files that are in preparation for the "free" Windows 10 upgrade, these updates keep being moved around from being Optional to Hotfix and even Security! In my opinion there is no need to install these at present as on some systems they have been causing slow downs and a few other problems (mine included) I have no doubt that when the free upgrade is offered all the correct and working files will be offered again anyway... There are rumours as to what exactly these KB updates really do, however that is mainly speculation. My reason for commenting is purely to alert users that their systems are already being prepared in the background.

These are the related windows update files I mention:

KB 3021917
KB 3035583
KB 2952664
KB 2990214
KB 3013531
KB 3022345

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Windows 10 Editions and Upgrades Announced 4 years 3 months ago caktus

I've gone to a lot of trouble to rid my 8.1 of Bing and practically lost what was left of my sanity doing it. :-| Does this mean I will have to poison my system with Bing all over again in order to get the "free" upgrade to 10?

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Windows 10 Editions and Upgrades Announced 4 years 3 months ago v.laurie I don't know if the Windows 10 upgrade will have Bing as the default search. It wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft made it the default in all upgrades but I don't know. view
Windows 10 Editions and Upgrades Announced 4 years 3 months ago v.laurie

This article has more news about phone updates- http://www.pcworld.com/article/2923085/microsoft-will-bypass-carriers-pu...

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Windows 10 Editions and Upgrades Announced 4 years 3 months ago Remah

I thought that caktus was talking about having "Windows with Bing" preinstalled. That is a very different issue than having Bing as the default search engine which is very simple to change.

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Windows 10 Editions and Upgrades Announced 4 years 3 months ago v.laurie Remah, I do not have access to a "Windows with Bing" system. If you are familiar with it, then maybe you can help caktus. view
Windows 10 Editions and Upgrades Announced 4 years 3 months ago cloverdavid

Will current software, like [edited], [edited], [edited], and utilities, anti malware work with Windows 10?

[Moderator's note: mention of commercial software edited out]

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Windows 10 Editions and Upgrades Announced 4 years 3 months ago Anupam

It is better to either visit the site of the commercial software, or write to their support in order to satisfy your query. Please do not post here about commercial software.

In general, most of the programs should work with Windows 10.

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Windows 10 Editions and Upgrades Announced 4 years 3 months ago AndyR

I do not know if this counts as being more information or not but rumours say it will more than likely either be subscription based (much like Office 365) either that or you will just have the basic operating system but will need to pay for modules (aka Apps?) such as Media Centre etc...

Those are just rumours of course but not entirely unfounded when you think that a very high percentage of their operating system sales only come from new pre installed devices with not many people actually buying the operating system by itself these days, couple that with the all the pirated editions out there and Windows Activation tools it would be a good way for MS to recover those losses...

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Windows 10 Editions and Upgrades Announced 4 years 3 months ago caktus

I guess I shouldn't be surprised if it does try to force Bing on me again. It was a big pain to get it off my Windows 8, the later 8.1. Even when it was no longer the default search engine it kept haunting me to no end. I guess MS was slipping up since I was eventually able to get rid of it so it would stay gone. If it comes back with the 10 upgrade I hope will be as merciful.

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Windows 10 Editions and Upgrades Announced 4 years 2 months ago rajaram menon

I use Win 8x64 SL. What is the corresp version of Win 10?

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Windows 10 Editions and Upgrades Announced 4 years 2 months ago v.laurie This link(http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_8-windows_install/regarding-windows-8-sl-64-bit-os/6a7c460a-1031-43b9-b0b0-36417495b8e9) has some information about Windows 8 SL. You will need Windows 8.1 to upgrade to Windows 10. view
Windows 10 Editions and Upgrades Announced 4 years 2 months ago rajaram menon

No site, not even Microsoft's, gives any info about update of Windows 8.1x64 SL to Windows 10

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Windows 10 Editions and Upgrades Announced 4 years 2 months ago skwirlinator

AndyR, Thank you for the KB #s, I will check...
I started my Win 7 PC this AM to an icon on the clock task bar to reserve my Win 10 free upgrade. I tried to quickly dismiss it but there is no ready option. So I clicked it and watched the screenplay.
There is nothing that appeals to me at all. I don't like Win8 or 8.1 and I am quite happy with Win 7.
I purchased my PC because it had Win 7.
Part of my updating routine is to always update my software. Now, I can't even trust that.
Is there a way to tell right off, if MS is infecting my PC with updates for Win 10?

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Windows 10 Editions and Upgrades Announced 4 years 2 months ago skwirlinator

v.laurie, First, Thank you for this article!

I use my Win7 WMP extensively. I purposly converted my entire CD collection to electronic and sold my CD player and gave away all my CDs.
I have WMC for my X-Box 360. The thought of having to use WinAmp is not appealing to me. I want my WMC.
Since it seems the trend is pushing toward cloud computing I figure Microsoft's solution will be to sell an app for your WMC online. This is speculation on my part but I see something like that happening. It seems like everything is moving to mobile computing. I'm not interested in paying more money to enjoy something I already paid for.
As for the replacement of WMC, I believe MS will have it all sent to a cloud. The player app will access the cloud for the play files and you will get slanted advertisements. You will see ads based on your photos, videos and music selections.
Microsoft couldn't pay me to upgrade to Win 10

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Windows 10 Editions and Upgrades Announced 4 years 2 months ago skwirlinator

Hi Gizmo Gang,
Gizmo has been my favorite source for information and freeware for a very long time. Kudos!

Might I suggest an article that tells how to Prevent a Win 10 upgrade and how to remove the KB files that Windows Update presets on your system.
I've learned my lesson with the common piggyback ware from freeware installations but I used to trust MS to only update the OS. The days of blindly clicking update are gone. I have already set Windows update to 'ask me before installing' but do I have to research every single update now? There must be a better way?

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Windows 10 Firewall Control Anonymous (not verified) view
Windows 10 Firewall Control 2 years 4 months ago Australia

Thanks to TechSupportAlert for this review
I have used Windows 10 Firewall Control for one year now.
It fulfils the five criteria I expect from security software

1)Very low use of system resources
Uses 12MB on my system.

2)Reliable, Not once has it crashed or conflicted with other software on my computer

3)Straightforward function
Every time an application on my computer tries to contact the internet, a message is displayed
I can then choose to allow or block the application. Simple

4)Unobtrusive - no ads, no unnecessary messages, lets me go about my computing, stays in the background

5)Free

Excellent program and highly recommended
I use Windows 7, 64 bit
I have no affiliation with this software.

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Windows 10 Will Reserve 7GB of Storage, Here's How To Disable It 7 months 1 week ago MichaelNC

Is there an alternative method to storing the updates on an external drive?

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Windows 10 Will Reserve 7GB of Storage, Here's How To Disable It 7 months 1 week ago OhZone

UGH! I do have a Win10 laptop now, but this is one reason my main desktop is still WIN7 Pro.

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Windows 10 Will Reserve 7GB of Storage, Here's How To Disable It 7 months 1 week ago rhiannon

Not that I'm aware of. At the moment, it's either have enough space on your disk drive or the disk drive and a USB flash drive can be used for updates.

Only fresh installations of Windows 10 version 1903 (due out in spring) and devices that will have Windows 10 version 1903 and up preinstalled will have reserved storage automatically enabled.

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Windows 10 Will Reserve 7GB of Storage, Here's How To Disable It 7 months 1 week ago rhiannon

Options are always good to have. :)

Many people are happily running Windows 7 and will keep doing so, perhaps to Microsoft's dismay.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 9 months ago CyberWolf64

I'm with you rhiannon. I too decided after all the negatives of Win 10 started surfacing to just get rid of all updates that would even try to install it. I like my Windows 7 ltimate just the way I have it thank you. Microsoft needs to learn perhaps the MOST important tidbit from all the negative press:
IT IS THE USERS MACHINE, NOT MICROSOFT'S.
I judge which updates I really need, and as to hardware drivers, I trust ONLY those that come from the hardware manufacturer. Definitely NOT Microsoft.
I have had people warn me about not upgrading to 10, all I say to them is this:
IF Microsoft EVER gets it through there extremely thick skulls that people DO NOT want spyware posing as an OS, they do NOT want to be told they HAVE TO update, and that the machine belongs TO THE USER and not Microsoft, then I MIGHT upgrade (even if by then I have to pay for the bloody thing). Besides as I also tell them...MS is supporting Win 7 til like 2020, so I am good for a bit, thank you

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 9 months ago gruff

I've NEVER trusted Microsoft and I've been using it since DOS 3.1, so I've always been leery of anything they do and check it closely. When Windows 10 came out I bought an inexpensive refurbished HP Elitebook laptop with Windows 7 Home Premium preinstalled. I then updated to Windows 10 about 2-3 months ago. I didn't like it at all and when I reverted back to Windows 7 it had updates blocked so I've not been able to get any updates for it. I'm not sure if I want to buy another new copy of Windows 7 or just toss the laptop. I'm still running Win 7 Pro on my desktop and I'll stay with it as long as I can.

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 9 months ago johnvk

So, all previous (suspicious) claims of "for the user's good" or "best experience for the user" are now exposed for the pretense that they are, and likely have always been. Windows 10 is really about giving Microsoft complete control over YOUR PC. My prediction of a 2016 article: Users of windows 10 logged on today to see that their gmail account has been replaced with windows live mail, and all their email imported. Unfortunately, online forums are clogged with users for whom the import failed, and who've lost decades of email and all their contacts. A Microsoft spokesman replied that "this upgrade provides the best experience for our users. Our user research suggests that most users dont want to bother which who their email provider is, they just want it to work."

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 9 months ago rhiannon

I like to grab my drivers from the manufacturer as well. :)

 

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 9 months ago rhiannon

On some laptops there's a hidden partition that will restore the system to the point when it was manufactured.........that might be an option. If you've got the disk, you could try re-installing Windows 7. :)

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 9 months ago gruff

Using Disk Management I've found a 450MB partition on my laptop C: drive called "Healthy (Recovery Partition)" Can you send me to someplace that can show me how to access it to restore my laptop to a functioning Win 7 Home Premium? Thanks.

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 9 months ago Hopalong

@CyberWolf64

+1

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 9 months ago Realist

I am happy with my dual boot - WinXP/Win7 - machine and I am not upgrading before 2022.
:)

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 9 months ago shnbwmn

Just another reason to use portable apps. Obviously not everything can be portabilised, particularly large commercial programs required for work, but when possible it makes things so much easier, safer and faster.

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 9 months ago crosseyedlemon

There are certainly advantages to using the portable apps. The following website might be of interest to those looking for apps of this kind.
http://www.portablefreeware.com/all.php

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 9 months ago crosseyedlemon

I think you could probably form a nation with all the computer users that now have contempt for Microsoft. I too am using Windows 7 and I definitely don't expect Microsoft to keep their promise and support that OS until 2020. I'll be moving on to Linux shortly because I'm convinced upgrading to Windows 10 is no different than booking passage on the Titanic.

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 9 months ago eikelein

Typically Microsoft!

Overbearing, presumptuous and snotty.

I should be grateful to them for "creating" more work for me but I pity my typical customer who will be helplessly entangled in MS's crummy machinations.

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 9 months ago pratomorone

Sir Gruff...I had the same problem after I deleted all the updates that the site listed that would enable Mr. Softy to load Win 10 on my machine. After trying everything I could find on how to correct it, all to no use, I now use a program that updates software on my computer. It also looks for updates to Win 7, downloads and installs them. It is called patchmypc. It will be a cold day in hell before I load Win 10 either on my wife's computer or mine.

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 9 months ago Krunk

I appreciate the difficulties some have had with Windows 10 and the perceived invasion of privacy and loss of control.
But I find it a bit ironic that most of the hate directed toward Microsoft is from folks who are irrevocably attached to their beloved Windows 7.
You know, MICROSOFT's Windows 7..

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 9 months ago johnvk

True. Except for the poster who said they're moving to Linux.
And I think when we break up with Microsoft, we say, It's you, its not me.
You've changed. You're not the OS I married.
;)

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 9 months ago Krunk

Well played, John.

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 9 months ago Fairportfan

Wow. MICROSOFT is "Overbearing presumptuous and snotty"?

I was an Aoole user many years ago - until the IIgs dolchstab, anyway.

I'm remembering the furore over the free album you got whether you wanted it or not, too.

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 9 months ago Tom38740

This is my 4th time trying to make Win 10 acceptable. It has back stabbed me once to many times, ripping Apps away, freezing up, to many things. Microsoft has ask me to leave them by trying to force it on me. I am junking it and going to another OS. I don't know which one yet, maybe one more people friendly and not so corporate.

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 9 months ago bootneck02

I was a windows user from XP, Vista, W7, W8 and then W10, UNTIL I realised what Microsoft were up to. A week ago I decided I did not wish to be beholden to Microsoft for my operating system as it appeared to me they were keeping tabs on me on who I was emailing, my internet surfing habits etc etc. So I decided that I would get out of their clutches and remembering that I am a user and not a PC geek I had a look around at all of the other operating systems and soon realised there are free ones out there AND there are and they are Linux Operating Systems. After a lot of investigating I found two that seemed to fit the bill which are designed for beginners they are Ubuntu and Linux Mint. I eventually chose Linux Mint 17.2 Mate 64 bit. Last week I installed Mint and have been running that ever since AND removing Windows so as not being able to fall back to W10 should I get stuck on anything.
The result is that I am so pleased with Linux mint it works out of the box any problems there is support out there although so far I have not needed it (fingers crossed) and am a very happy Linux user and would recommend the change to anyone. If anyone does not know you do not need anti virus, ALL software is free unless you wish to donate to Linux. If you wish to try Linux I would suggest that you back up your Microsoft downloads on to a external drive just in case you wish to at a future date return to dreaded Microsoft. As I have said before I am just a PC user and know nothing about programming and you do not need to when you start with ether Ubuntu or Mint give it a try you might like it.

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 9 months ago Yankiwi

Agreed. After 30 years of owning PCs, from the days of DOS through to Windows 7, I've finally accepted that Microsoft cannot be trusted and that Windows will no longer be my OS in the future. Like you, I looked into Linux distros and chose Linux Mint 17.2 Cinnamon (Rafaela) 64-bit. In the little time that I've had to play with it so far, it appears very polished, functional, and complete, right out of the box. I have some Windows-specific professional software I'll continue to need, so I can run W7 within VirtualBox or on a separate machine, perhaps isolated from the Internet so that Microsoft cannot mess with it.

I will not be bullied by Microsoft into accepting W10 or letting them control which OS or updates I install, nor will I let any OS "phone home" with data from my computer without my express permission on each occasion. My privacy is not for sale.

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 9 months ago bootneck02

I am with you Krunk and John they have lost the trust of the domestic user I would think probably the small business user as well

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 9 months ago rhiannon

My suggestion would be to run a search using the terms "factory restore HP Elitebook" and the model number of your laptop. That should bring up the information. :) I hope that helps. I use duckduckgo.com as a search engine, it aggregates content from Google and bing but protects your privacy. Weird name, awesome search engine.

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 9 months ago QuarterLessTwain

I don't like anyone, including Microsoft, making decisions for me. I don't feel as strongly as other people who have commented, but it's nice to know that I need to check the Windows.old folder occasionally.

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 8 months ago UserError

I won't go as far as you want to, but I 100% agree on the problems Windows 10 has brought. I decided to install it on a laptop... My Gosh! What a mistake that was! Several privacy and security settings I disabled previously turned themselves back on after a few hours, the word "privacy" is practically non-existant now. My network monitor was showing the OS was sending data back home on a regular basis every minute, every hour, every day. Have no idea what kind of data was being sent, but I don't trust Windows 10. At least the previous OSs ware more transparent on their intentions.

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 8 months ago UserError

You made my day with the last sentence. Very, very true. I won't touch W10 ever again.

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 8 months ago eikelein

Krunk,
Many - or most? - of them are not "attached to their Windows 7". The vast majority of them just don't even know that here are alternatives.
They don't know because there is no marketing power behind the alternatives.

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 8 months ago CyberWolf64

And, just as a precaution here, I DO have a right to "bash" Microsoft. I used DOS since the 2.1 days, Windows since v1.0 (dear god that REALLY dates me).
I have had on my personal machines, Windows 3.0, 3.1, 95, 98, 98SE, NT4, 2000, XP, and then 7. Never touched Vista (thankfully), and never touced the tablet wanna be's of Win 8/8.1.

So, yes, I can bash them because after all this time they have decided rather arbitrarily to act like they know best. When they DO NOT.

Besides, on my old 32 bit machoine I dual boot Win Xp (yep still live and kickin), and Manjaro 32 bit Linux.
And the same applies to new 64 bit machine: Win 7 Ultimate dual boot with the 64 bit version of Manjaro Linux.

That is why I have a SEVERE hatred of MS's lovechild SecureBoot. It WAS specifically designed to PREVENT using Linux. Because the ABSOLUTELY FEAR anything that will allow the USER to control THEIR OWN MACHINE.

So, again, I do have the rigt to bash. I have been a MS user since WAY back in time. And before MS, I used Apple II, IIe, and IIgs. And when I was working I even dabbled with OS/2 as well, and that is also back then when I got introduced to Unix.

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 8 months ago Wendra

MS has been trying to force their Win10 files onto my system, however, I've never inferred at all, not even an inkling, that I'd want Windows 10 & I'd been removing files whenever I could. This week, Windows displayed an update dialogue box with no apparent way of closing it. As well. it kept asking me to commit to an update date. I'd even tried 2 different Task Managers & couldn't get it off my screen. GGGRRR!!! After research, I opted to install some free software called GWX Control Panel which could disable the Win10 updates. I really resent that these companies & others, such as browsers, don't give us more choices but arbitrarily decide things such as what level of security & which products should be placed onto our systems. I'm now going to check out Linux Mint so thanks to all the other posters for this recommendation & information. It's very much appreciated by yet another disgruntled long time Microsoft user. Adios Windows! Can't really say I'm going to miss you. LOL

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 8 months ago repeters57

After I read to above comments regarding MS changing and overwriting drivers I checked my version of installed Windows 10. I am more than miffed at Microsoft. Prior to this last fast ring update I had paid for and had upgraded and running Windows 7, 8, 8.1 PROFFESSIONAL version. Guess what folks? Those asses at MS have automatically UPGRADED my machine to Windows 10 HOME edition! AUTOMATIC UPDATES?! WTF?! Now I have to track down a source to try to get my Win10 Pro version. I have back ups but I am thinking those wizards at MS will only update my back up with a home edition again. I'm glad I switched some machines to Linux.

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 8 months ago repeters57

Oh, I forgot to mention my IE 11 spell checker quit after the last Win 10 update - BEAUTIFUL!

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 8 months ago rhiannon

To the best of my knowledge, it doesn't matter what version of a previous OS you're running - Windows 10 free upgrade is for the Home edition only. If you want the Pro or Enterprise edition you'll have to purchase it separately.

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 8 months ago Anupam

It's not like that. Windows Home Edition will be updated to Windows 10 Home Edition. Windows Pro edition will get update to Windows 10 Pro. It's a wonder why his Windows did not get updated to Pro. It should have.

Look at the table here under, "Using the media creation tool", and then under "Upgrade to Windows 10 using the tool".

https://www.microsoft.com/en-in/software-download/windows10

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 8 months ago Remah

That's right Anupam. It says the same under Windows 10: FAQ

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 8 months ago Remah

You should be able go back to the pre-upgrade Windows version relatively easily.

Contact Microsoft and tell them what has happened and they should help you to fix it.

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 8 months ago mchldpy

Secure Boot is embraced by M$ BUT, it is not theirs. It was not invented by M$ nor is it owned by them. It is owned by the UEFI Forum. UEFI is a firmware interface just like BIOS is a firmware interface. There are dedicated Linux computers running UEFI and Secure Boot. The UEFI Specifications allow for each OS vendor to decide how tough or what specific rulesets are part of Secure Boot. M$ insist on certs signed by them, Linux uses the industry standard x.509 certs in their version of Secure Boot.

Promoters of UEFI include
AMD, Insyde Software, American Megatrends Inc., Intel, Apple Inc., Lenovo, Dell, Microsoft, Hewlett Packard Enterprise, Phoenix Technologies, IBM

Contributors include SUSE, Red Hat Inc, The Linux Foundation, Seagate and many others.

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 8 months ago repeters57

Anupam, thanks for your input. Maybe you didn't fully read my complaint. I had a fully paid copy of Windows 7 Pro, upgraded to win8, Win8.1 AND Win 10 first fast track update was Win 10 PRO. The last fast track update 1511.10586 updated my system to Win10 Home. I am writing this from another system, upgraded from Win 7 Pro, etc. This machine was correctly upgraded & updated to Win10 PRO 1511.10586.11. My intent in writing is to warn others of the potential MS update issue. I know how to correct this but I am frustrated this even occurred. Not only does the update over right drivers but OS as well. Your right "It's not like that" and "It should have" upgraded correctly but it did not.

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 8 months ago Anupam

Sorry to not understand you fully. You had not shared these details in your previous post though.

Its really weird that one of your system was updated to Home version rather than the Pro. Weird why it would happen. Maybe you can call or contact Microsoft about it? It's really strange.

Good to know that the other system updated just fine. The other one is weird, and shouldn't have happened.

I dont mind the automatic updates much, if it keeps happening without an issue, but yes, the driver update issue bugs me too. I don't want drivers to be installed automatically. This is although helpful when the system is old, and the motherboard site either does not exist, or does not provide drivers anymore.. but its not required when motherboard site already provides the drivers.

This is where MS have messed things up. Oh well.

You can either contact MS, or again reset the system and try the update. Will be frustrating though if same thing happens again.

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 8 months ago rhiannon

Thanks Anupam, I misunderstood the upgrades. :)

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 8 months ago Buddythecat

I was running Win 7 happily.. MS kept pushing to upgrade to 10.. I kept saying NO!!! but last Friday they ZAP!! did it any way before I could stop it.. At first I thought what the hell sooner or later ill have to. So Saturday morning when I went to check it>>. WHHHHAAAaaa my puter kept trying to start and couldnt>>> NO help from MS.. or the web.. Tommorrow I have a Cert MS engineer ( ) comming by to try to straighten it out.. $150 an hour.. Im going to go to small claims and sue MS for the bill Who else has this problem???

Dec 8 Had a long session with MS securiety in Phip. and India and after an hour they couldny help the situation.. Called in a pro and He had no choice fut to reformat.. He did pre save all my files but the programs were lost.. So bottom line $200.00 and hours later my older lap top is back to the state HP delivered it with no programs or files...The new dell is running fine with the old info and im not a happy MS camper. Any one want to jpoin a class action suit???

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Windows 10’s Fall Update Removes User Installed Applications Without Asking 3 years 8 months ago rhiannon

That's horrible.........I'm so sorry you're having to go through that. When you get your system back, I would suggest you install GWX Contro Panel, the latest version prevents Microsoft from updating your computer. You can find it here:

http://blog.ultimateoutsider.com/2015/08/using-gwx-stopper-to-permanentl...

It's been mentioned and recommended many times by our readers and editors, I have it installed as well.

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Windows 7 Startup 5 years 3 weeks ago Remah This article will have further detail added including trace details and an overview diagram. Leave a comment and let me know what works or not for you. Remah - Editor view
Windows 7 Startup 5 years 2 weeks ago George.J Thanks for a great article. Worth 5 stars :) view
Windows 7 Startup 5 years 2 weeks ago MikeR

Ye Gods: the amount of effort, time, care and thoughtfulness that went into this particular article is. . . astonishing. Very, very VERY well done, Remah. As George J has already said, definitely a 5-star contribution -- and one that sets a whole new standard in this kind of comprehensive and informative reportage. MANY THANKS!!

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Windows 7 Startup 5 years 2 weeks ago jmjsquared

Thanks for a great, clearly written and nicely illustrated primer. Can't wait to digest it... slowly. :)

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Windows 7 Startup 5 years 2 weeks ago Remah Thanks. There's more work to come as there's more startup detail to go into the tables, an example of startup timings for a default user, a diagram to make the startup flow easier to visualize, and further optimization of the layout and content. view
Windows 7 Startup 5 years 2 weeks ago Cuffy

Beautiful piece of work!
I'm looking forward to the charts so I can follow along with my finger and talk to myself while tracing the whole process from start to finish!
Great work!

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Windows 7 Startup 5 years 2 weeks ago fandango

You have a remarkable facility for explaining things with a clarity and in a manner that even someone like me who is not an advanced user, can understand. That is quite a gift. Thanks for sharing it.

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Windows 7 Startup 5 years 2 weeks ago Stephen A Meigs

Excellent article, but the text explaining UserInit, which prefixes table 13, is a repeat of the text that explains LSM--an incorrect copy and paste, I guess.

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Windows 7 Startup 5 years 2 weeks ago Remah Oops! Thanks for picking that up for me. It is now fixed plus I've added Diagram 1 as an overview on the main startup sequence. view
Windows 7 Startup 5 years 2 weeks ago AndyR An awesome article Remah that filled in the blanks on a few things I was not certain of, nice one mate. view
Windows 7 Startup 5 years 2 weeks ago George.J Yup, am pretty slow reading stuff. :D I'm gonna read one sub-section every day. view
Windows 7 Startup 5 years 2 weeks ago walkingdead

I applaud the time, effort and dedication it took to write this article in such detailed depth. If it were possible I would rate it at 10 stars!
Excellent**********
Walkingdead

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Windows 7 Startup 5 years 4 days ago Remah Added two diagrams, 4 & 5, which discuss the components of Windows kernel-mode and user-mode respectively. Remah - category editor view
Windows 7 Startup 5 years 1 day ago Remah I had to remove those diagrams to a separate article because this article has got too big: Windows 7 Components for Startup view
Windows 7 Startup 4 years 12 months ago Yunga

Excellent!

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Windows 7 Startup 4 years 11 months ago johnvk

Wow!
You deserve the rave reviews you're getting.
I have browsed and will return. Probably frequently. More eyeballs for Gizmo Ad revenue ;)

I'm sure you dont mind if i point out some minor typos:

in "Services Autostart" you say 49,9 using a comma as the decimal point; you use . all other places.

In the note 2 for diagram 3, you say "12 shorter longer". I'm guessing that's supposed to be 12 seconds shorter.

Not only am i impressed at your windows knowledge, and communication skills, i'm impressed with your html table diagrams. I browsed the html source--they're an engineering accomplishment in themselves ;)

I even like your &inf; (&inf;) symbol.

One trivial suggestion: i think making a background for the inf char would highlight that. I feel like i'd like that to stand out when i view diagram 1.

I like your html icons, too. That's just cool to me. 90% of the time those would be little .jpgs or .pngs or .gifs.

Speaking of those, i did not see any of these 2 (unless i missed them)
"§ provides information on diagnostic tools and their output."
"![yellow] indicates a known troubleshooting issue."

I was looking forward to those.

Thanks for all the time and detail!

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Windows 7 Startup 4 years 4 months ago Remah

Thanks very much for picking up on my errors which are easy for me to miss. :)

I've started using HTML text diagrams to speed-up page load times by having a smaller overall size and fewer http calls with fewer images. I need to do this because my articles are much longer and more complex than most on this site. This article needs to be reduced in size, or split in two, before I can add more detail. HTML text diagrams do take much longer to plan and create but mean that I can amend them very quickly rather than having to modify a vector-graphic diagram, export it to a PNG file, and upload it to this site.

I would prefer to use vector-graphic diagrams but there is inconsistent support for this in web browsers particularly on mobile platforms.

Two web pages that are useful for HTML text are:

  • The World Wide Web (W3) Consortium HTML character entity reference which shows characters that all web browsers should display correctly.
  • HTML color references such as ComputerHope.Com's color reference list. I am considering changing the background for the infinity character.

It might be useful to indicate which processes run as long as Windows does but most of them are critical processes anyway. ... OK, I'll do it.

The diagnostic and troubleshooting icons are not visible unless you click on the "show more..." buttons to display the more detailed startup steps:

 §  (white on purple) is used fourteen time mainly where I've included many of the boot trace variable names.

 !  (black on yellow) is used seven times.

 Δ  (white on blue) which indicates differences between Windows editions is used once in Table 8 - Local Security Authority SubSystem: LSASS.exe.

P.S. I haven't forgotten about your comment on the Deeper into the Registry article. I've been busy on these startup articles.

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Windows 7 Startup 4 years 11 months ago ironleg1963

I loved the articles. I have a question though. Is there a program you can install or run from CD/DVD/usb to tell you each step and file, dll, everything that is going on from the mbr to the final boot up sequence of logging in to a network after logon. Then run wireshark to test the network connection. Possibly airsnort /nmap/wirecat, etc..
Any information is greatly appreciated.
Thanks!

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Windows 7 Startup 4 years 4 months ago Remah

I'm no expert on boot debugging for Windows but here's what I do know:

Third-party hardware debugging products for x86 and x64 computers install a separate board. These give you the earliest debugging control in the boot process.

See Microsoft's article on Windows debugging tools for an overview of debugging software. You can debug using software running on the same computer or on a different computer.

To start debugging from the boot loader you change the boot parameters as described in Tools for Changing Boot Options for Driver Testing and Debugging particularly changing the boot parameters and BCDEdit options You need to enable kernel-mode debugging if you want to see what is happening in the kernel-mode startup phase. I have been using Windows startup traces which do not provide sufficient kernel-mode detail.

You should have no problems starting wireshark and many other diagnostics while Windows debugging is operating.

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Windows 7 Startup 4 years 4 months ago eddt

Good article - any plans to hash one out for 8.1/10 as well?

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