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Old 28. Jul 2018, 11:15 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Absolutely my thoughts too deya, I agree with you fully. And I too thought the same thing as you did from their statement.

Data of users, whether it's personal or not, is becoming a market, and companies do not care, because they have to make money, and money is being made these days by this way. Companies like Avast are becoming the very thing they wanted to protect users from.

I use Avast antivirus, and sometimes it shows pop-up about hardening privacy with some settings (I don't exactly remember the pop-up). So, on one had they tell via their antivirus to protect privacy, and on the other hand, they themselves want to collect data of users through their own products and that too in such way.

Really, it's all becoming pathetic... no sense of ethics.

They released the slim version because they wanted people to update all versions of their software, so that the new changes are effective immediately. Otherwise, the slim version was made available after nearly a month.

People keep using the products because there are no other options, or not good options, and also, this is the new normal nowadays.

I have Facebook, and I do want to get rid of it, considering the news about Facebook lately, but I cannot because it's the means for me to be connected with my friends and family and they all use Facebook, and because there is no other such good option.

We are just caught up unwillingly.
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Old 28. Jul 2018, 12:57 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Yes, caught up unwillingly is a good way of phrasing it - and we can always do something about it, like not using it or using an older, portable version or whatever. These people think we're all the same colour as the grass and to be honest most people are indeed green, no disrespect intended, when it comes to tech stuff - OS's, programs, apps etc. This is how tech companies are getting away with it.

I often wonder what the heck they want it for - all this data but then, on the other hand, I probably don't want to know. It's creepy.

It doesn't really matter which OS or whatever you use, because somewhere along the line they'll get your data one way or another. And if you're well enough informed to try and do something to limit it then it becomes a constant battle. It's tiresome, to the point where now I pay one of the guys who works for us, with way more knowledge than me, to sort this stuff out. I just don't have the time anymore.

For home use, I try to use programs that are more ethical when it comes to privacy and marketing but it's becoming harder to find them, or they once were but now have changed their stance and decided to join the data harvesting free for all.

Even then, after being selective with your choice of programs/apps the Operating System itself is hard at it, trying to gather as much information as is possible. In my case it's Windows 10 - my choice so can't complain, and I try to limit the data gathering. To what effect I have to admit I'm really not quite sure how well I'm doing in that department but I suspect (hope) it's better than many.

If Windows doesn't get me then there's my phone(s) - Android these days, and boy, that has to be the biggest data thieving piece of software ever developed for the masses, Facebook included. I never wanted to go the Android route but, needs must. Again, I try to restrict the data harvesting but fear (know) that's an almost impossible task. I even use Whatsapp these days so I've obviously lost my mind and given up all hope.

In the grand scheme of things I feel that what Avast/Piriform are now doing is fairly mild in comparison. Doesn't make it any less annoying. It's just the way of the world.

Wittingly, unwittingly. Willingly, unwillingly. The battle wears you down eventually, to the point where you begin to accept it - and that's the really sad part.
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Old 28. Jul 2018, 11:42 PM   #33 (permalink)
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But that won't change anything.
It would if everyone concerned here installed one of at least 10 different Linux distros that are free, faster and 99% safer than Windows. The real problem is that Microsoft and Windows app developers know that sheep will always run together, even with a wolf in the fold.
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Old 29. Jul 2018, 07:40 AM   #34 (permalink)
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It's only a matter of time before this data stealing is implemented in Recuva. While it thoroughly scans the HDD/SSD for deleted files, it can scan for personal files.

Hopefully the EU will be our saving grace. Or perhaps not.
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Old 29. Jul 2018, 11:38 AM   #35 (permalink)
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deya, that's the thing, whatever you do, some amount of information will always be available to them, from somewhere or the other. Heck, if you are on internet, or online anywhere, like Facebook, Whatsapp, your information is already out there. We have to accept it because it's everywhere, and a few people cannot make any difference about it. You are right, most of the people aren't knowledgeable about it, or simply don't care. I am a bit careful, but even I do not delve so deep into it as to block everything, because it's really futile, and I do not have the time or energy for it. Whatever I can, I do.

Yes, Windows 10 collects data itself, and there is no way to stop it, unless I use a program like O&O Shutup10, but then, I don't use it, in case Windows breaks somehow, and I have to solve it.

I use Facebook, and Whatsapp too, but as I said earlier, I have to, because my friends and family use them. If it was for me, I would opt for Telegram instead of Whatsapp, but it's not my choice. I have to
use Whatsapp unwillingly.

I don't use Cortana, and I don't use the Google Assistant on Android. These collect a lot of your personal data, so I avoid them. They do seem helpful, when I see others using Google Assistant to locate services and other things, but I just avoid it. I can always open a browser and search for things, rather than speaking to the Assistant.

So, you cannot stop your data, you can just minimize it. But, they are still getting data for majority of people who do not even know about these things. We have to accept it, because we cannot do anything about it.

But yes, scandals like the recent one with Facebook, certainly do stir things up, and sometimes it does create ripples. Like it was in the news yesterday that Facebook has suffered huge losses, so they are
paying for it in some way. Same with Twitter... their user base has declined.

Oh, incident about Twitter. I had a Twitter account, and I deleted it months back. It was told that the account will be deleted in a month (I think), and so I did not login for a month on Twitter. Recently, I
decided to check with my login and password, and guess what, even after several months, or maybe an year, my account is still there. I am furious.

Also, I recently noticed, earlier there was an option to delete your Facebook account from the settings. Now, I only see an option to deactivate, and not delete. Maybe it comes if you select the deactivate option. But, really, whatever these companies are doing isn't good, and somewhere down the line, they will have to pay for it. Things don't last forever and change happens. For now, they can enjoy making money with their tricks, but sometime, they will bite the dust, because such practices don't give good results down the line.
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Old 29. Jul 2018, 12:16 PM   #36 (permalink)
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MC, that may be so, what you say about Linux, but I don't use it so wouldn't know. I don't know any one, personally, that uses it either, consumer or enterprise and most of them will never have heard of it. They need to market it more, make it more appealing so that people might want to try it, see it as an alternative. But if that did happen, it wouldn't be long before it started to face the same issues we're discussing here. If Linux became popular to the masses, sheep, as you call them, then the marketers and data harvesters would follow. It's probably best left as a niche product for those that use it, that way they can keep using it the way they prefer it.

I've dabbled with it in the past but it wasn't for me and personally don't see it as an alternative. I like Windows 10 and am happy enough with how I run it. I don't see adverts, targeted or otherwise, ever, and at no point have I felt that the data it may gather is used in any fruadulent or negative way. Admittedly, I have altered many privacy settings though, unlike many who use it.

As for using niche Operating Systems, I did that by using Blackerry OS for many years on my phones, and QNX with a Blackberry tablet. Both secure, both very good, but in the end that strategy failed. Blackberry almost went bust and I ended up with several useless devices. It got to a point where they just became obsolete because the apps that people wanted weren't there, the platform didn't support them, developers weren't willing to commit to it and also, phone providers stopped selling them. I still use Blackberry, but they run Android now. Like it or not, I have to move with the times.

Even if you use Linux on your PC, but then use Android or iOS on your phone, your data will be gathered. Your privacy will be lost and as Anupam has mentioned in his post, above, if they don't get you one way, they'll get you another.

WOT stole our data, probably still are and yet I still use it. It's recommended on this site and links are judged by it. Now CCleaner is going down the same route. Two decent pieces of software that many have used for years. How do we as users combat that? ... other than stopping using them?

You can't blame the masses (sheep). The blame lies squarely at the feet of the creeps who exploit them.
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Time and again, I have written in my posts how Linux has its own shortcomings, and unless they solve that, it won't become popular with users like Windows. And even if a few people from here do start to use Linux, it isn't going to make much of a difference in the present situation.

And I think I will agree with deya, once Linux becomes popular, there are high chances that the same practices will follow on it too.

I have stopped using WOT. I would like to continue using it, and it is a very useful service, but the fact that what sites I am visiting, is being noted, I just don't feel comfortable.

Yes, Avast and CCleaner aren't doing anything different from Windows, or Google, or Facebook, but they way they are going about it, that what makes me feel uncomfortable, and angry, and yes, it's even creepy, as deya puts it. If you are collecting data, be upfront about it, and not resort to such ways to fool users.

Atleast Microsoft are upfront about their collection of data and its use, and they do provide options to turn off some of the data collection, if not all of it.
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MC, that may be so, what you say about Linux, but I don't use it so wouldn't know. I don't know any one, personally, that uses it either, consumer or enterprise and most of them will never have heard of it. They need to market it more, make it more appealing so that people might want to try it, see it as an alternative. But if that did happen, it wouldn't be long before it started to face the same issues we're discussing here. If Linux became popular to the masses, sheep, as you call them, then the marketers and data harvesters would follow. It's probably best left as a niche product for those that use it, that way they can keep using it the way they prefer it.
Certainly Linux would become more of a target if it was more widely used (PC that is since the majority of servers already use it).

Two things though already stand out.

First you don't need a CCleaner type product for Linux but yes they do exist if folks insist on having one but being Linux they don't adopt the same strategy as Piriform, nor would they be allowed to.

Second, the nature of how Linux is constructed makes it very difficult to get into any sort of security mess unless you physically bypass the default settings. Yes there has been the odd repository hack but these have been quickly fixed with no reported user affects.

Sure if Linux suddenly gained a 50% market share things might change but this is unlikely given Microsoft and Apple's stranglehold on the industry and I prefer to deal with things as they are now and not how they might be if.

A great example of commercial users going down this path is Modicia OS that was developed by a bunch of Italian IT guys originally for their own business use but now available for free to everyone. It's almost a whopping 4G download because it contains a whole raft of pre-configured and optimized apps and most general users will never need to install anything else. Many of these programs have identical Windows apps so the only real learning curve is with the system settings for the Xfce desktop and half an hour with the wiki or various forums will quickly resolve this.

https://www.modiciaos.cloud/
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Old 01. Aug 2018, 12:24 PM   #39 (permalink)
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It is a good suggestion to block CCleaner access to the internet from the firewall. I use Windows firewall, so it's not possible in it I think. Might have to start looking for a firewall too
Presenting SimpleWall to you, the world's most simple and most user friendly software firewall and UTM for businesses and probably home too! And it's free.

Ok, so what's Avast doing with my CCleaner now :|
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I've been using Evorim's Free Firewall alongside the default W7 firewall for the last year or so, blocking CCleaner is easy: https://www.evorim.com/en/free-firewall
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