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Old 06. May 2017, 04:06 PM   #51 (permalink)
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It's frustrating when upgrades and updates render your system unusable for such long periods of time. It does happen and I understand your feelings, MC. I've used Remah's method in the past and just re-started the damned thing and it usually does work - one way or another. I also make sure, especially with laptops, that the machine can't sleep while upgrades are taking place by changing the power settings.

If I know there's a big upgrade or update on the way I try to make sure it happens when I'm not wanting to use the machine. I've never quite understood how upgrades are rolled out. Is it regional, is it the age of the machine? ... I don't know. That's why I used the Upgrade Tool this time for the CU on my lappy. I tried to control it and it worked in that it didn't catch me unaware when I was using it. It is a pain if that happens.

With a new machine, I won't install anything or alter anything until the system has fully updated and upgraded itself. Time consuming, yes, but I've found it to be the least painful way of doing it. I've left them running overnight in the past, and in the morning it's usually pretty much all done.

It's documented on here, the time I upgraded a laptop to Win10 and it failed, resulting in it being rendered useless. Bricked - or so I thought. Hurling abuse at the laptop and MS in general, lots of expletives, that kind of thing. Only to be left red faced when it was discovered that I hadn't plugged the laptop into the mains power and the battery had gone flat during the upgrade. I plugged it in, it upgraded, no problem. It's not always the fault of MS

I've found the after the CU my machines do run better, even using slightly less memory than before. One thing I did notice though, was that it was taking an age for Windows to check for updates. The chasing dots went on forever, and what used to take seconds was taking several minutes. But here's the thing - I found that one of the settings in O&OShutUp10 was causing that to happen. I noticed previously that, after an upgrade/cumulative update, Telemetry disabled (2 of 3) was re-enabled - and it's a recommended setting. So I'd re-enable Telemetry disabled (2 of 3) then re-start the machine and then the setting would stick.

It got me to thinking why is that? .... so I disabled the setting, Telemetry disabled (2 of 3) , re-started the machine and checking for updates was back to taking seconds again. So I was the cause of that, by disabling a Telemetry setting .... and others have noticed it now too because I've seen it posted elsewhere. So again, MS is not always at fault and I've wondered about using such programs recently to be honest - interfering with the way MS handle maintaining the system.

I'm not defending MS because I think Windows as a Service still leaves a lot to be desired. It's nowhere near prefect. But on the other hand I'm beginning to question whether tinkering with certain settings is a good idea. All the paranoia is confusing me and I'm beginning to think much of it is load of old you know what.

It's a shame it didn't work out for you, MC, because I'd have been interested to read your thoughts on Win10 - had it worked and given you a chance to run it for a time, properly. I know you prefer Linux as your OS but I honestly don't think Win10 is really all that bad, ok, maybe flat and boring to the eye - but as an MS OS I still find it to be the best yet.

I've said before on here, it's only a matter of time until I experience the pain of upgrades breaking something for me - and it will happen. No doubt. But I've experienced that with Win95, XP, Vista and Win7 so nothing changes. It's just that now, Windows as a Service, people quite rightly expect more from MS - and I honestly don't think some of the people who work for MS are quite up to the job when it comes to developing and pushing out some of these 'improvements' .... but then, you could say that about many large multinational corporations these days, especially tech ones. The product is good, but the customer care and after service is crap.

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Old 06. May 2017, 04:27 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Mind you, I'm still on 7, I've made the conscious decision not to go to 10. But, I have used different troubleshooters in the past and sometimes they actually have helped. Two that come to mind right now are the audio troubleshooter and the network troubleshooter - the last one has fixed quite a few problems in the past.
Yes, the network troubleshooter is probably the best of the bunch but all it seems to do is reset the adapter which is what I do anyway, but appreciate those who don't know how can get this fix via Windows.
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It's a shame it didn't work out for you, MC, because I'd have been interested to read your thoughts on Win10 - had it worked and given you a chance to run it for a time, properly. I know you prefer Linux as your OS but I honestly don't think Win10 is really all that bad, ok, maybe flat and boring to the eye - but as an MS OS I still find it to be the best yet.
It was working long enough for me not to like it.

Maybe I'm in a minority but folks don't buy a car because it looks crap but drives well and I feel the same about the OS I need to stare at for most of the day. I'll stick with Windows 7 until the security patches run out in 2020 and for a new install there are packs available from MS so users don't have to download hundreds of individual updates.
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Maybe not a minority. I know several people who don't like it for various reasons, and I was talking to a guy who works for a large retailer here which sells PC's etc. and he said the same. Lots of complaints about Win10, but it's installed on all the stuff they sell now.

Can't win 'em all ....... I still think it was a mistake to try and force it on people.
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Maybe not a minority. I know several people who don't like it for various reasons, and I was talking to a guy who works for a large retailer here which sells PC's etc. and he said the same. Lots of complaints about Win10, but it's installed on all the stuff they sell now.
Although it should not be so, for a few dollars spent on theme and icon changers you can quickly get a decent 'look' for the system but this really is a minor issue. When you see reputable sites like techradar publishing articles entitled "100 common Windows 10 problems and how to solve them", you know something is seriously wrong. For a lot of users it behaves very much like a beta version of Comodo firewall or a rushed release of Linux. Certainly not what you expect considering the cost.

I do very little in the way of PC maintenance these days because issues with my vision mean I have to limit the time I spend glued to a monitor, or at least do jobs spread out over sessions with breaks in between. Today though I did go to sort out a laptop for a lady who is a member of Monica's church. Not sure of her age but I do know her husband is 90! This was a 7 to 10 upgrade and the issue was it was now not enabling photos to be transferred from her Sony digicam. Googling the system error number was no help at all, the antivirus was disabled with another system error and bingo the updates were non functioning too. She asked if I could revert it back to Windows 7 but after Googling this and seeing so many failure reports I brought the machine home to look later when I have some free vision time. All this lady does is post stuff on Facebook, hence the need for family pic transfers, and it's obvious the system has not been messed with in any way despite the basic level of user knowledge.

Taking Mint as an example although it isn't my favorite distro, even if I have a major disaster I can have a new system complete with more apps than I need working out of the box in 10 minutes. Even my hunger for wobbly windows and spinning cubes only takes a little while longer to configure. Compared with Windows 10, this is a no brainer.
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From what I read there do seem to be many issues with Win10 and compatability with cameras, printers etc. I've not encountered any myself and it does everything I need it to do, and I'm more of a minimalistic sort so flat and boring is ok with me. Nothing on my desktop but wallpaper and the recycle bin

All the third party programs I like to use run, I do use a few apps but other than that it's not much different to what I use elsewhere or in the past. But that doesn't mean it suits everyone, and for those that it doesn't it must be difficult to get used to. The constant updating must also be an issue for many. Not everyone has unlimited broadband and some of the downloads are huge. So I can see why Linux would be preferable to many people.

I accept that Win10 is not for everyone
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Personally, I don't get all this Windows 10 bashing?! I really like Windows 10! I like it much better than 7, 8, or 8.1. As far as I'm concerned, Windows 10 is the best version of Windows in a very long time. Plus, if you actually research the benefits of Windows 10 over Windows 7, you'll find much more security in Windows 10 and many other benefits.

Yes, I know that there are privacy concerns with Windows 10. But, I have found it to be a very stable OS and I have not found a program or piece of hardware that doesn't work with it.

Lastly, I still have to work and I often have to share files between my work and home computer. I'm sorry, but Linux is not for prime time and will never be useful in a professional work environment. It's nice for playing around with and maybe for some limited productivity work, but Windows is the best option for most people.
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I'm not Windows bashing nor Windows 10 bashing.

I really like Windows 10 and I have no desire to go back to any older version. We have one laptop which has to continue to run 8.1 and I dislike losing many useful features everytime that I use it.

The issue for me is that the frequency of Windows 10 update and upgrade problems is too high. But I wouldn't stop using Windows just to avoid it.

The positive side of Windows updates is that my elderly aunt, like most people I know, can continue to automatically update Windows 10 without any problems at all and without any technical support. From Windows XP to Windows 7 to Windows 10, each upgrade has reduced the support that I need to give her because each updated brings better integration and automation.
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Lastly, I still have to work and I often have to share files between my work and home computer. I'm sorry, but Linux is not for prime time and will never be useful in a professional work environment. It's nice for playing around with and maybe for some limited productivity work, but Windows is the best option for most people.
All I know is I do everything that is required for this site admin using only Linux. Also, for the past two years I've been operating a business across two countries in three different languages, English, Portuguese, Spanish, working often with data produced using Microsoft apps and again, all using Linux. For me it is much faster and much safer but everyone makes their own choices.
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Replaced Windows 10 Home 32-bit with Windows 10 Home 64-bit smoothly via the Media Creation Tool, as I needed to try out "Bash on Ubuntu on Windows", which is available only for the 64-bit version of Windows 10, with the Developer Mode enabled.

One thing that's unusual for Windows 10 on this PC is that it reports the installed memory as 6GB, more than the 4GB (2GBx2) actually installed. HWiNFO shows clearly 4GB of ram installed.

In Window 10's Bash app, this command cat /proc/meminfo also shows the total memory as 4GB.

Probably the mixed brands of the two DDR3 RAM cards (2GB each) with different memory speeds have resulted in Win10 wrongly reporting 6GB? Quite a rare case but it's also reported earlier as in this post at Tom's Hardware, in which Win10 reports 12GB instead of 8GB installed.
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