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Old 18. Apr 2017, 03:29 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I don't like the sound of that . I had turned that setting off in Privacy. Will it send data to Microsoft? This is stupid.
This isn't a concern to me, I don't think Microsoft gets the info but I might be wrong

I saw setting as a rename of the "does windows xp want to remember recent programs" setting

the rename being that with MS pushing for mobile devices, it's called apps now instead of programs
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Old 18. Apr 2017, 03:33 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Another change that I noticed that when you right click on the Windows icon now, you won't find Control Panel, and Programs and Features there. Don't know how many of you have noticed it till now.
I've noticed both of them. Ultimately Microsoft will remove "Control Panel" and "Programs and Features" which will become history and totally be replaced with "Settings" and "Apps and Features". In this Creators' Update, you will see that they're getting closer to that.

"Control Panel" and "Programs and Features" were designed in old days mainly for devices with mouse-and-keyboard input and not very suitable for fingers input, whereas "Settings" and "Apps and Features" are re-designed and responsive to screen widths of desktop and mobile devices, good for fingers input as well as mouse-and-keyboard input.

Microsoft is aiming to standardize their Windows system to cater for all devices; that's the reasons for progressively replacing "Control Panel" with "Settings", as well as the rest.

At this time, I pin a "Control Panel" shortcut to Start so it's accessible from there.

On the top-right of the "Apps and Features" page, there's a "Related Settings" linking to the old "Programs and Features". But I see that "Apps and Features" is good enough for me to use either on desktop or mobile devices.
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Old 18. Apr 2017, 06:25 PM   #33 (permalink)
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You are right deya.. changing that option in Privacy does make the option of most recent used apps available.

The wordings of the option that "Let Windows track app launches" .. suggests that it will be Windows that will track launches, but the fact that this option is under Privacy suggests that it will really be Microsoft who will track the launches, and therefore, data will be sent to Microsoft about it. As deya says, it will be used to track which apps are popular, etc.

So, I will not turn that option on. This option used to function just fine before letting Windows track the apps... so it doesn't make much sense to me other than that they want to track user behavior in terms of apps & software. I am not up for that.
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Old 18. Apr 2017, 06:32 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I've noticed both of them. Ultimately Microsoft will remove "Control Panel" and "Programs and Features" which will become history and totally be replaced with "Settings" and "Apps and Features". In this Creators' Update, you will see that they're getting closer to that.

"Control Panel" and "Programs and Features" were designed in old days mainly for devices with mouse-and-keyboard input and not very suitable for fingers input, whereas "Settings" and "Apps and Features" are re-designed and responsive to screen widths of desktop and mobile devices, good for fingers input as well as mouse-and-keyboard input.

Microsoft is aiming to standardize their Windows system to cater for all devices; that's the reasons for progressively replacing "Control Panel" with "Settings", as well as the rest.
All this is fine, but Microsoft are getting ahead of themselves, while causing trouble to the users.

It's fine if they remove the Control Panel, but it should be done when all of the settings from there are provided in Settings, but currently they aren't, and that's a problem. Control Panel will be needed, and users will have to perform extra clicks to reach to it, which is inefficient.

If users didn't had the need for Control Panel anymore, shortcuts to it won't be needed, but since people are making a shortcut for it, indicates that it's still needed, so why remove it?

Programs and Features does have the apps and software listed as well... but, uninstalling a software from there will be the same as uninstalling from Programs and Features? If yes, then I will use Apps and Features.

But really, either remove it completely, and keep it at one place... but if you aren't removing it completely, then keep providing a link to it. It's a small thing. This is just bad design IMO.
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Old 18. Apr 2017, 11:21 PM   #35 (permalink)
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You can uninstall programs using Apps and Features, same as using Programs and Features. Apps and Features displays the full list of installed software - apps and programs. I don't do it that way, I use Geek to uninstall things.

In a roundabout way, this should help users like torres because even though their Control Panel is crashing you can access many things from Settings. If you don't see what your looking for use the search function in Settings and it will bring most things up - Language, Keyboard, Mouse, Sound etc. But not all. Say for example you want to access Admin Tools or the Firewall, using the search function in Settings takes you to Control Panel - not much use to him there. So it's not ideal.

One of the first things I did after the CU was to pin Control Panel to the Start Tiles. It's still needed but I agree with Anupam, it should be one thing or the other. Settings or Control Panel. Not both, it's confusing. MS should have done away with Control Panel by now if that's their aim, they've been at it long enough.
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It's fine if they remove the Control Panel, but it should be done when all of the settings from there are provided in Settings, but currently they aren't, and that's a problem. Control Panel will be needed, and users will have to perform extra clicks to reach to it, which is inefficient.

If users didn't had the need for Control Panel anymore, shortcuts to it won't be needed, but since people are making a shortcut for it, indicates that it's still needed, so why remove it?
After adding Apps to the Settings, probably Microsoft thinks that it is time to bring the Settings app upfront for most average users and move the classic Control Panel behind the scene, which is still accessible by advanced or more demanding users.

I guess developing software takes time and it can't be all changed in a short period of a year or so, just like when Edge is available upfront, Microsoft still hides Internet Explorer inside the system for access by those who still need it.

Just my thought.
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Programs and Features does have the apps and software listed as well... but, uninstalling a software from there will be the same as uninstalling from Programs and Features? If yes, then I will use Apps and Features.
Yes Anupam, I think using "Apps & Features" is good enough. Moreover, it includes managing Windows Store apps (aka modern or Metro apps), like 3D Builder, OneNote, News, etc., while the classic "Programs and Features" does not.

This indicates that Microsoft does not care to develop "Programs and Features" further to cover Store apps as it is being replaced with "Apps & Features".

Maybe in the next Update, you can't see "Programs and Features" any more, or it may be left behind the scene for compatibility purpose. Only Microsoft can tell.
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IMO, Settings is not that developed fully, and they are still making changes to it. So, until it's developed fully, they should keep providing link to Control Panel, which lays out the settings of the system in a nice organized way to which people are used to.

But, instead, people now have to either search for Control Panel or hunt around for the settings they want in Settings, where the settings they want are put under Related Settings, and not even in plain sight. That's highly inefficient.

It is just a matter of keeping the link to a simple little thing called Control Panel in sight like it was before. Or, they should develop the new system so nicely, that users don't feel the need for Control Panel anymore. That would be a fluid transition, but right now, it isn't.

BTW, I found Control Panel under Windows System folder in Start.

And other settings of Control Panel are found in Windows Administrative Tools folder in Start.

The settings are like all over the place right now.

I wonder why didn't people give feedback over this under the Windows Insider Program?
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I wonder why didn't people give feedback over this under the Windows Insider Program?
Because at least half of all computer users don't care.

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It is just a matter of keeping the link to a simple little thing called Control Panel in sight like it was before. Or, they should develop the new system so nicely, that users don't feel the need for Control Panel anymore. That would be a fluid transition, but right now, it isn't.
That's right Anupam. The Settings app still can be considered as a work in progress and has not covered all items in the classic Control Panel. However, for some items that have not been included in the Settings app, it provides Related Settings which actually link back to the classic Control Panel. The following are two typical examples:

Settings > Power & sleep > Related settings > Additional power settings, which actually opens up the Power Options in the Control Panel.

Settings > Printers & scanners > Related settings > Devices and printers, which actually opens up the "Devices and Printers" from the Control Panel.

That said, the classic Control Panel was as good as what it had been, but all new settings are only available in the Settings app, such as Personalization > Colors, Personalization > Start, or Network & Internet > Airplane mode, Mobile hotspot, Data usage, etc.

From what I can see, Microsoft makes all these new settings in the Settings app only and does not work backwards to include them in the Control Panel, which is being phased out gradually.
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