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Old 07. Aug 2015, 04:09 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Good post deya. Agree with most of what you wrote.

You are right that most of people do not know about the settings, and aren't bothered even if they know about them. They just want things to work, and to get their job done, that's all. They want their OS to run good and fast, and to run the software they want to. Apart from that, they don't understand things, and even if they do, they don't bother. And that's how companies are profiting nowadays, because a vast majority of people are like that.

I think a lot of these privacy issues on Windows 10 are because, now Windows 10 makes the apps even more integrated into the system... and thus a lot of settings are related to apps. Apps are what we use on smartphones... and we all know how permissions are nowadays with the apps on phones. There are permissions on Android too, and I admit that on phone, I do not bother much to see what permissions the apps are asking for. For example, if I have to run MxPlayer, which is a well known app to run videos, and it's the best in free apps, I don't bother to look at its permissions. But then again, Android does not give individual permission control, but it's coming in the next release, and then I will certainly block those permissions which I do not want to give. I do change the settings I can change on the phone, as much as possible, to protect my privacy.

Same is the case here with Windows 10. Since apps are now there, so are the settings. You are right again, that in this case, Microsoft is not doing more than what other companies like Google are doing. Well, atleast Windows 10 has the option to change the settings. So, I will make use of that option.

I won't be using the apps at all. For my region, Cortana is not available, and I am glad it isn't. I wouldn't have used it, even if it was available. I don't use such services on phone too.
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Old 07. Aug 2015, 06:12 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Totally right, Anupam. Take the page that J_L linked to, which is very good by the way, and look at the very first image. Circled in red, 'Customise settings' .... how many people would even spot that?, as opposed to the much larger and clearer 'Use Express settings? I wonder how many people, if they're honest, noticed that when they performed the upgrade? Or did they notice it but prefer to go the easy install route (express settings) so as not to complicate the upgrade process?

That image says quite a bit to me. It's a trip up, designed to have people click the much larger and clearer button, and to then enable all the info gathering settings. Very cute, the way they've done that. All legal, no doubt, but many would say it's an underhand tactic - and let's be honest, it is.

It's only now, when more of this stuff is showing up on the internet that people are realising just what they agreed to by doing the easier 'express' upgrade. And I know this because I've spoken to people today who did just that. People who in no way would you call average users.

Cortana is the thing about the OS that's a big selling point, your very own PA, your new friend!? - and believe me there are people who believe exactly that. Like mrs. deya and her friend to name but two

But a good PA has to know you and how you operate to be effective, same as a good friend will know you pretty much inside out. Just think how much info people are giving to Cortana right now, willingly, it's total genius if you're in the data collecting business. If a real person were to follow them around all day, prying into their private lives, asking this and that, they'd probably phone the police and say they were being stalked. But when I pointed this out to my wife she told me to stop being so stupid. Oh, really? .... and so it becomes a bit of joke, "go on, ask Cortana this, tell Cortana that."

At the end of the day, does it really matter? I don't know. I tussle with this privacy stuff in my mind, because I know better, and yet I'm drawn to Windows 10 because I actually think it's a very good operating system and will definitely get better but .....

"Hi deya, what shall we do today?" ... is never going to happen.

I'm glad you've made this a separate thread, because by reading it I think I'm going to learn much more about Windows 10 and how it operates. There's already been some very good stuff posted and I'm hoping more will follow.
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Old 07. Aug 2015, 06:13 PM   #13 (permalink)
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You are right that most of people do not know about the settings, and aren't bothered even if they know about them. They just want things to work, and to get their job done, that's all. They want their OS to run good and fast, and to run the software they want to.
Reckon you're probably correct there, Anupam. Be interesting to see how many people shell out for the MS DVD player when they could easily download a better one for free
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Old 07. Aug 2015, 06:46 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Interesting question MaikL. I don't know how many will go for the paid dvd player. Really don't know.. maybe the ones who have no knowledge about software or computers in general at all. But, with people being familiar with Windows, VLC is quite a popular name. So, you never know.

deya, I had intended to start this thread days back, when I had installed Windows 10 on my laptop. I had intended to make it like the link which J_L shared, although without the images. I would have covered everything. But well, I am caught up with things here in life, and so, things got delayed. Anyways, that article is real good.

And yes, it shows how things operate nowadays. It's really an underhand tactic... and it's an old trick actually... to make the thing of "your" interest stand out, than other stuff. Same happens on download sites with ads.. they make the "Download" button of the ads bigger, rather than the actual download button, and people get fooled. This reflects in general what the world has actually come to these days.

Same with Cortana, or Siri, or such services. They are making lives easy, sure, you just have to speak into it, and you will get things done... but, the question is, at what cost? In theory, it all sounds good, and it looks great in movies, all this technology, and even I would be willing to try it.. just for fun... but when such privacy issues are involved, I don't want to. But yea, others will of course. And well, you can't do much about it.

Frankly, I am liking Windows 10 less than Windows 8. I think Windows 8 was definitely better, and I liked it.. but IMO Windows 10 is just messier than Windows 8. I will elaborate this in a separate thread, in which I will share about my impressions of Windows 10. So far, I am not impressed.
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Old 08. Aug 2015, 11:05 AM   #15 (permalink)
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I might be right in guessing that if you are using a local account, compared to a Microsoft account, then you are in less danger of coming across privacy issues, since a lot of things are automatically linked to your Microsoft account, like Cortana data collection, etc.
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Old 09. Aug 2015, 12:08 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Cortana just put Amazon Echo out of business

But I wonder with all of these privacy issues on windows 10, what does the actual windows 10 phones look like? Does that mean once those phones come out, they will always be "tracked" by microsoft? (probably happens now but I don't think about it)
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Another fairly lengthy piece about the privacy thing;

http://www.windowscentral.com/all-yo...&utm_source=wp

Breaks it down it a bit more. Comments at the bottom are also worth a read.
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Old 11. Aug 2015, 03:42 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I know there are some of you among us who are very privacy conscious and I can't really blame you. After all, why should we believe Microsoft isn't misusing or selling our personal data?

In Windows 10, there is no setting to completely disable the sending of data from your computer to Microsoft. When you go to Settings→Privacy→Feedback & diagnostics and look at the right pane under Diagnostic and usage data you would see that the absolute lowest option you can select is Basic.

Well, it seems like Microsoft could twiddle and twaddle but they cannot stop some enterprising folks on the internet from circumventing their (Microsoft's) best efforts to collect your data. Sergey Tkachenko from Winaero has written an article on how to stop the services that collect and send your data to Microsoft: http://winaero.com/blog/how-to-disab...in-windows-10/. You can read comments as there are some interesting stuff there about using PowerShell to achieve the same.
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for people on win10, can you use the firewall to block the data from being sent?

3rd party or even windows firewall? I do it on win7/xp by just blocking svchost until I need it for windows update
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Old 13. Aug 2015, 04:38 PM   #20 (permalink)
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...even with Cortana and searching the Web from the Start menu disabled, opening Start and typing will send a request to www.bing.com to request a file called threshold.appcache which appears to contain some Cortana information, even though Cortana is disabled. The request for this file appears to contain a random machine ID that persists across reboots.
Even when told not to, Windows 10 just can’t stop talking to Microsoft
It's no wonder that privacy activists are up in arms


This is troubling, but at the same time, did Microsoft believe nobody would ever find out? If so, I think they are underestimating how much users could find out if they possess the knowledge and smarts to do it, and there are many out there who do.
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