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Old 05. Nov 2015, 12:54 AM   #101 (permalink)
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In regards to your article about Spybot Anti Beacon Utility:
Would it be of any help or would it conflict running it on my computer, after I already disable those privacy setting manually following reputable link tutorials?
(Just in case I may have miss to disable some settings.)
Also I would not be surprised a bit to find that the telemetry settings are on again after installing some no details cumulative update, which are coming out so often, too often I may say.

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The program should indicate which settings have already been configured. As far as I know, it should not conflict with previous manual settings. As far as Microsoft returning the telemetry in updates, the program has a setting at installation to check every time you restart as shown below.

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Old 05. Nov 2015, 01:24 AM   #102 (permalink)
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In the Spybot web page there is an 'Installer' download and a 'Portable' edition download. In the same page, there is a 'Safer-Networking Download Section' link, where there is also a 'Stand Alone' edition. I am thinking of getting the last one (Stand Alone). Is this a good choice? What does 'Installer' download mean?

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Old 05. Nov 2015, 02:20 AM   #103 (permalink)
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Much obliged and thanks again for this finding.

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Old 05. Nov 2015, 04:08 AM   #104 (permalink)
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A good article to read...

Microsoft needs to fit Windows 10 with a data collection 'off switch'




I really don't see how Microsoft could fail to understand that they are transgressing. If I buy a new car should it be mandatory that I give the manufacturer feedback? If I buy anything at all should I be forced to give feedback? No! No! No! A thousand times NO!!

Somehow I feel Microsoft will come back some time in the future and say "We didn't listen to our users" - again!

To be honest if no software developers got any feedback to their creation it would neither be able to push any bug fixes nor be able to improve upon the original. Data collection is an essential part to any software. But the nature and extent of data being collected is the only worrying thing. Turning off data collection completely is the worst response to a product that anyone can give.

Users complain about lack of any new updates or the numerous bugs, they post on dev. forums "Please resolve this issue" without giving any related useful information to it. The software dev's are at a loss about what to do, since these users don't define the nature/extent of their problem. This could all be resolved if the data is auto-collected and sent back to the dev, when bugs are encountered.

I've no problems in data being collected that's only related to the well-being of the software.
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As far as Microsoft returning the telemetry in updates, the program has a setting at installation to check every time you restart as shown below.

Is this setting available in all three: 'Stand Alone', 'Portable' and 'Installer' editions?
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Old 05. Nov 2015, 02:57 PM   #106 (permalink)
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To be honest if no software developers got any feedback to their creation it would neither be able to push any bug fixes nor be able to improve upon the original. Data collection is an essential part to any software. But the nature and extent of data being collected is the only worrying thing. Turning off data collection completely is the worst response to a product that anyone can give.

Users complain about lack of any new updates or the numerous bugs, they post on dev. forums "Please resolve this issue" without giving any related useful information to it. The software dev's are at a loss about what to do, since these users don't define the nature/extent of their problem. This could all be resolved if the data is auto-collected and sent back to the dev, when bugs are encountered.

I've no problems in data being collected that's only related to the well-being of the software.
I don't think you get so I'll quote again, but with some emphasis this time...
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So, the bottom line is that Microsoft wants this telemetry, and if you use Windows 10 you don't get a say in whether you hand it over or not. Well, that's not entirely true, because Windows 10 Enterprise users can disable all data -- including telemetry data -- from being sent back to Microsoft. But the average Joe Customer doesn't get a say in the matter.
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Getting out of this mess is easy. Here are three simple steps for Microsoft:

1. Wind back the ego a few notches. Just because a system is running Windows 10 shouldn't mean that Microsoft feels it is entitled to end user telemetry. Period. Remember whose computer it is. Never lose sight of that.
2. Build an off switch for the telemetry. This shouldn't be hard to do. Put the decision as to whether telemetry data is sent back to the Microsoft mothership in the hands of the user.
3. Quit it with the heavy-handedness. What is it with all the "mandatory" stuff in Windows 10? Sheesh.
The point is Microsoft isn't giving the user a choice and they are too damn arrogant. Also, just because you have "no problems" with Microsoft harvesting data from your system that doesn't make it okay for everyone else.
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Is this setting available in all three: 'Stand Alone', 'Portable' and 'Installer' editions?
I saw it in the installer version.
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Is this setting available in all three: 'Stand Alone', 'Portable' and 'Installer' editions?
I just used the standalone version and I can confirm that it doesn't have that setting - in fact, it doesn't have any such setup page. However, when I clicked the "About" button in the standalone version I could access the following information...



As you can see, the last option allows you to set up a scheduled task. I suspect that is exactly what the option in the installer version does. You have to run the program from an elevated Command window with the parameter.

BTW, out of curiosity I ran the program with the "verbose" parameter and it showed me that only 29 out of 37 Telemetry Hosts (the first item in the first tab) were turned off even though I had "immunized" my system moments ago! Also, I suspect the standalone version isn't stealth since it didn't create a "settings" file. I didn't check but most likely the settings are stored in the registry.

I did not try the Portable Apps version.
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I just used the standalone version and I can confirm that it doesn't have that setting - in fact, it doesn't have any such setup page. However, when I clicked the "About" button in the standalone version I could access the following information...



As you can see, the last option allows you to set up a scheduled task. I suspect that is exactly what the option in the installer version does. You have to run the program from an elevated Command window with the parameter.

BTW, out of curiosity I ran the program with the "verbose" parameter and it showed me that only 29 out of 37 Telemetry Hosts (the first item in the first tab) were turned off even though I had "immunized" my system moments ago! Also, I suspect the standalone version isn't stealth since it didn't create a "settings" file. I didn't check but most likely the settings are stored in the registry.

I did not try the Portable Apps version.

The installer version, the one I have give the option to select "refresh immunization after each system start up". But only at installation time.
I haven't fund the option or a way to change that if I wish to.
The About button that take me to the parameters etc. panel, it only shows the features but not a way to turn those on and off.

<You have to run the program from an elevated Command window with the parameter.>.

Don't quite know how to do that.


As far as the immunizations goes:
I was surprised to see that even with previous extensive manual changes in W 10 settings, the app reckon I was only 20% immunize.
It took me three attempts to get immunize 100%.
Now it is all up and running.
Though no apparent activity is shown from the app at system start up, when initiate manually I get a clean bill of health, 100% immunize.

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Old 06. Nov 2015, 01:11 PM   #110 (permalink)
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Joe, with respect I think you have forgotten the simple fact that you do NOT own Windows, you rent a licence to use it.
If you rent a car from an agency you would expect them to put controls in that car to measure how much use it has had so they can service and repair it properly. You would be cross if Ford did not issue fixes for known problems - that they found out about from feedback - and you would accept that that it needed to go into a garage for repairs.

I would agree that the agency should not need to know exactly where the car had been, but it would be reasonable for them to want to know if it had been in the dessert or the humid jungle.
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