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Old 16. Apr 2013, 01:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Windows 8.1 (codenamed 'Windows Blue') will give you an option to boot into the Desktop and bypass the Start Screen.

Source: http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/16/42...desktop-option
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Does this mean that Microsoft's practical joke on the PC market is coming to an end? "Metro" is just completely inappropropriate for a PC. And, I'm tired of the dim journalists who think it's just a matter of "Metro" being new. No, it's a matter of me wanting to really multitask. It's a matter of me not wanting to frequently be holding my hand up to put fingerprints all over my screen. Then there's the issue of [cr]apps...

This also means the return of the good ol' start menu.

"This isn't a matter of judging a book by its cover; the user interface (UI) is everything for computer users. If the UI alienates users, you lose them. It's as simple as that." Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols at ZDNET
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I seem to be getting the impression you are not a fan of "Metro" Doobie
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"This isn't a matter of judging a book by its cover; the user interface (UI) is everything for computer users. If the UI alienates users, you lose them. It's as simple as that." Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols at ZDNET
Many commentators have said similar but I've seen little evidence that supports his conclusion. If people are really concerned they generally delay upgrading rather than being lost to the platform. If they have to upgrade then they find solutions and workarounds which is what we are seeing.

Any major change gets criticized. The Windows start menu has been around since 1995 so it is no surprise that it is a bone of contention. Personally, I don't miss it at all because the other options I use - start menu search, keyboard shortcuts - are as effective.
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Any major change gets criticized. The Windows start menu has been around since 1995 so it is no surprise that it is a bone of contention. Personally, I don't miss it at all because the other options I use - start menu search, keyboard shortcuts - are as effective.
Any major change gets criticized? When the start menu was introduced, I don't recall any criticism resulting from that major change. Most criticism aimed at new MS OSes in the past had to do with performance not features.

It's just really dumb for people to dismiss criticism of Windows 8 Metro because of its newness. Maybe you like to run only one dumb app at a time and maybe you get fingerprints all over your screen anyway. But, I want to run several programs at once and not have to look at fingerprints.

Metro is a tablet interface that's not suitable for a PC. I know it. MS knows it. But, you don't believe it. MS's only reasoning behind metro is to get people familiar with Metro so they'll buy MS tablets and smartphones, and get people to use the MS app store... not because they think it's a good thing for the PC.

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Any major change gets criticized. The Windows start menu has been around since 1995 so it is no surprise that it is a bone of contention. Personally, I don't miss it at all because the other options I use - start menu search, keyboard shortcuts - are as effective.
Same here. In most cases when I click the "Start" button, it's time that I actually want to "End" (shut down) the Windows. I run frequently-used programs from the pinned items on the task bar, and the rest from the Portable Start Menu.

I don't miss the Start button at all when I use a Windows 8 tablet.
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Any major change gets criticized? When the start menu was introduced, I don't recall any criticism resulting from that major change. Most criticism aimed at new MS OSes in the past had to do with performance not features.

It's just really dumb for people to dismiss criticism of Windows 8 Metro because of its newness. Maybe you like to run only one dumb app at a time and maybe you get fingerprints all over your screen anyway. But, I want to run several programs at once and not have to look at fingerprints.

Metro is a tablet interface that's not suitable for a PC. I know it. MS knows it. But, you don't believe it. MS's only reasoning behind metro is to get people familiar with Metro so they'll buy MS tablets and smartphones, and get people to use the MS app store... not because they think it's a good thing for the PC.

Snake oil salesmen must fall asleep each night snickering at the customers who really believe their oil is a good thing.
I wasn't saying that you were wrong in criticizing the interface. I was pointing out that the analysis by the commentator you quoted is lacking. Issues with the interface will not drive that many people away from Windows. Most will wait and see, as they have done in the past. Or they will work around it as many are doing.

You come across as very testy on this issue. So to be clear I state that I wasn't dismissing criticism of Windows 8. I was pointing out that the consequence is not what the commentator says.

Also, I didn't say anything about "newness". You did earlier, when you mentioned other commentators.

You and many commentators are correct in criticizing Microsoft's implementation of Windows 8. But Microsoft was never likely to create desktop and mobile versions of Windows that would never converge. The problem has been that the convergence process has been poorly thought out.

I believe that the "tablet interface" is "not suitable" for exclusive use. In practice, the proportion of PC users who only use the new interface must be very small. So, like most users of Windows 8 that I know, I "run several programs at once" as I almost exclusively run desktop applications, and I do "not have to look at fingerprints" because I don't have a touchscreen. The new interface has made no difference to most users in these two areas.

Re criticism of the Windows 95 start menu, I was talking about all users not just the commentators. Many people I know criticized the start menu because it didn't work the same as what they were used to. Some were angry but most were just frustrated. They required a lot of hand-holding to get through it particularly as the combination of new menu and new registry came with a lot of program issues. But the commentators were almost entirely for it because it solved a number of problems with organizing access to programs and running them.
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Finally Microsoft bows to pressure!
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I too don't miss the Start Menu much. I have got used to the new interface. However, yes, I do feel that it has affected efficiency and ease on certain levels. Like, now there is no way to access the recent documents list. If I opened a document in some folder, and I closed it, and I need it again, I have to again travel all the way to that folder. MS should have done something about that.

Also, it was quite convenient to open some programs like Notepad via Start Menu. Not so now. Although I can open the start menu, and just start writing notepad there, but still, it's still less convenient.
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Also, it was quite convenient to open some programs like Notepad via Start Menu. Not so now. Although I can open the start menu, and just start writing notepad there, but still, it's still less convenient.
Some commentators say the Start Screen is the "glorified" version of the Start button. Isn't there a Notepad tile right on the Start Screen for you to click or tap?
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