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Old 28. May 2011, 10:54 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Overall I'm well pleased that the best team in Europe won what is the greatest competition in football...
I was disappointed when Blackpool dropped out of the Premier League last week, but I feel they were moral winners of the season.
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Old 29. May 2011, 03:10 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Bo - I envy you're stress free way to using the internet. I also admire the way that you share your knowledge of Sandboxie on here for those who want to go that route. Even though I'm on nobody's clock but my own here, time is very important and it just wouldn't be feasable for me to work that way, for me it would be stress, unfortunately.




Learning Sandboxie its something that does not take too much time and
since its something that can be learned as you go, it allows you the time
to do the things that you need or really want to do. Personally, I spend
much of my time searching for the same things that I did before I knew
that there were security programs other than antiviruses.
If you start using Sandboxie, in 6 months you ll feel about the sandbox
like I do. Thats a promise, deya.

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Old 29. May 2011, 10:55 AM   #53 (permalink)
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...We're both singing from the same hymn sheet here...
Erm, if there's some sort of party line to tread, just let me know and I'll hop out to the bar.

(Sorry about the time waster, deya)
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Old 29. May 2011, 11:21 AM   #54 (permalink)
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Maybe I'll try it sometime, Bo. I run my spare in virtual, no AV, but I cheat and use a paid program I got for free - you know the one. Like I mentioned before though, I've never had a problem doing it that way and the machine runs great without all the security stuff installed, much lighter on resources.

I turn off the virtual to do updates and also to save any changes I want to keep, and I'll admit to running for a good long length of time with no virtual or AV in place. Just Windows firewall, Norton DNS, WOT and just taking care which sites I visit - which is no guarantee these days I suppose. Only thing that's ever shown up on the scans is the PUM for having Security Center AV warning turned off. But that's on a spare and it wouldn't bother me to wipe it if it did get badly infected, there's nothing important on there. I wouldn't do it on any of my other stuff though, I still think it's too risky and too restricting - downloads etc.

As for the footy, MC. I studied the stats and decided to keep my money in my pocket, good job as well because I wouldn't have backed a winner. The stats afterwards don't lie. Possession; Barca, 67 percent - Man U, 33 percent. Says it all really - stunning.

It's not a time waster, Bob. It's good to have an insight into stats and people's thoughts about whether having more = less. Have we worked it out yet?

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If you start using Sandboxie, in 6 months you ll feel about the sandbox
like I do. Thats a promise, deya.

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I can confirm Bo's assertion. It's a bit over six months since I started using Sandboxie. I've given up on real-time AVs\AMs and the stress of dealing with them. No more searching for the lightest, most effective AV, no more searching for a HIPS that I'm able to live with. My recovery isn't complete yet though as I still do an occasional on-demand scan, but those are few and far between.

Nothing is bullet proof though. System drive imaging is a second line of defense that I've had great success with. But that process can go terribly wrong to if not used properly or some glitch occurs.

It's a hard sell though, Bo. Most of my clients want that old familiar AV there still. My fist question to them is do you have the machine resource to do it. If not, can you live with a bit of a lag on your system. I've managed to convert a few, but then again I would not consider those to be average users.
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Taurus,

Would you mind outlining your security setup (besides Sandboxie) for those of us curious about your methods?

I've "thought" about the no real-time AV/AM but am not there yet.

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Have we worked it out yet?
In statistical terms, it's the final score - not possession - that's the main outcome measure.

So if people don't get infected despite minimal protection, then it's job done.

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In statistical terms, it's the final score - not possession - that's the main outcome measure.

So if people don't get infected despite minimal protection, then it's job done.

Yes, not getting infected its what matters, not how is done.
Bob, like you I also believe that thats the bottom line.

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Yes, not getting infected its what matters, not how is done.
Bob, like you I also believe that thats the bottom line.

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Well, yes, though I was playing around a bit ... Of course, we also need to factor in ease of use... Which is probably rather personal, as some of the posts in this thread indicate.

I can visualize at least three basic scenarios:
  1. Minimal security set up + Safe browsing practices
  2. Tighter security set up + Average browsing practices
  3. Careful sandboxing + Any browsing practices

I'd guess that only 2 & 3 would really be suitable for computers with multiple average users (otherwise, less might equal more... hassle ).

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Taurus,

Would you mind outlining your security setup (besides Sandboxie) for those of us curious about your methods?

I've "thought" about the no real-time AV/AM but am not there yet.

Thanks in advance.
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