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Old 19. Dec 2009, 09:24 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Hopefully I'm not adding to the confusion...

MSE I really don't know how it stands up in terms of detection. Interface wise its easy to use and setup too. Did you check out Avira? It is free and is the top rated AV on TSA too. I'm not too sure I would go with MSE as my primary AV scanner or recommend anyone else either.
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Old 19. Dec 2009, 09:33 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Hopefully I'm not adding to the confusion...

MSE I really don't know how it stands up in terms of detection. Interface wise its easy to use and setup too. Did you check out Avira? It is free and is the top rated AV on TSA too. I'm not too sure I would go with MSE as my primary AV scanner or recommend anyone else either.
Yes I did look at Avira and it was merely a toss up between Avira and Avast. I could not see a huge advantage one way or the other. You are not adding to the confusion, I appreciate your input.

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Old 19. Dec 2009, 11:25 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Your setup is fine if you understand and follow safe browsing habits.
If not (or if other inexperienced/risky users share the computer) you may want to implement something from here: http://www.techsupportalert.com/best...on-utility.htm
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Old 20. Dec 2009, 09:37 AM   #34 (permalink)
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MSE I really don't know how it stands up in terms of detection.
http://www.av-comparatives.org/

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Old 20. Dec 2009, 12:29 PM   #35 (permalink)
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I agree with what J.L. has said and I think you'll be fine with the choices you've made. Spending 15 hours, or more, researching your options is time well spent if in the end you learn more about it all, your machine is clean and you save yourself some money.

When I decided to answer your question by posting my experience with MSE I did it with a slight trepidation, I really was anticipating that my comments would receive a bit of a kicking for some reason. The fact that they didn't shows to me the politeness of the people who use this forum, they give you the opportunity to voice your opinion without shouting you down from the rooftops if they disagree, making your decision harder. That's the beauty of it for me, and everyone is trying to help.

moserw has every right to err on the side of caution, after all MSE is very much the new kid in town when it comes to free AV and as such is by no means perfect, but then again, which one is? I followed the links that JohnnyDollar has provided and looked at the results, from the way I interpret them MSE doesn't seem to be doing so bad, and I've no doubt that one thing you'll have learned during your marathon research is that none of them are 100% flawless. In the end you make your choice and go with it, and understand that the user also has a massive part to play in keeping their machine clean.

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Old 20. Dec 2009, 01:58 PM   #36 (permalink)
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When I decided to answer your question by posting my experience with MSE I did it with a slight trepidation, I really was anticipating that my comments would receive a bit of a kicking for some reason. The fact that they didn't shows to me the politeness of the people who use this forum, they give you the opportunity to voice your opinion without shouting you down from the rooftops if they disagree, making your decision harder. That's the beauty of it for me, and everyone is trying to help.
deya, this is a community based site and forum, where we work as a team and we don't do this for money. We respect the members and users of the site and forum, and their opinion matters a lot too. After all the team members were once visitors here too.

We do not claim ourselves to be all knowledgeable. Everyone present here is willing to share and learn. We are no different from other visitors and users of the site.

So, please, if you have to share something, please do so without any fears. We want the members not just to register on the site and forum... we want them to share their knowledge and experience with us, so we can learn too .


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In the end you make your choice and go with it, and understand that the user also has a massive part to play in keeping their machine clean.
I fully agree with above. Safe surfing and practices is ultimately what will keep you safe.
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Old 20. Dec 2009, 09:47 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Anupam, I fully appreciate what you're saying regarding how the forum works. The reason I mentioned the slight trepidation was because there doesn't seem to be too many people who would recommend using MSE as a primary AV, where as I would. So I half expected a few raised eyebrows and a clamor of "oh no, you should use A, B or C instead".. I don't have a fear of posting, I just didn't want to spark a mini cyber riot and cloud the issue for emmjay.

I'm sure you understand my reasons for that because if you look around other forums you do tend to come across that kind of thing happening. To me that's counter productive, the person who asked the question is left even more confused than they were in the first place as the argument rages on around them. Hence my comment about the politeness of the people who use this forum and their willingness to not resort to squabbling over the age old argument of which AV is best. They do it in a more cautious, helpful and understanding way and in turn the question asker gets a much more balanced set of answers. That's what I meant to say.

On the subject of MSE I'd like to draw your attention to this thread, I came across it tonight on the MSE help forum. I'd particulary like to hear peoples thoughts on the comments by the moderator, Rob Koch, at the bottom of the thread.

emmjay asked me why I used Privatefirewall on one PC and not on two others, so I answered. Having read the thread, maybe I'm wrong. I'd just like to know what others thought for my own curiosity as much as emmjay's.

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Old 20. Dec 2009, 10:53 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Some really good content in all of these posts above which I've only just found time to read now in full.

I agree that for many situations, especially concerning family use, an MSE and Windows firewall is the ideal combination. The one thing folks should be aware of though is this:

"To avoid all of these issues, MSE simply dropped asking the questions completely and instead performs any necessary blocking itself, without any input from the user. This results in a much less disruptive experience for the user and still allows MSE to protect the PC (and user) when known malware is detected attempting to use the network."

Notice the use of "known malware". Now, as many of today's threats don't become "known" by the various signature updates quickly enough I'd be keen to install just one more companion to help out.

WinPatrol is one option - this from Bill's own pitch

"You'll be removing dangerous new programs while others download new reference files"

Threatfire would be the second one. Overall, Threatfire will be quieter than WinPatrol in use, and now that the latest version has stopped eating your keyboard drivers for breakfast might even be the better option
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Old 20. Dec 2009, 10:53 PM   #39 (permalink)
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MSE (Panda on some computers)

MBAM

IObit 360 and Ad-aware installers downloaded for easy set-up in case of possible infection and need of on-demand scanner

Comodo Internet Security (Firewall and Defense+)

Threatfire (behavioral detection)

McAfee Site Advisor

Web of Trust

I try to keep a tight and secure computer. I've found that MSE with all of this is more than enough. But when it comes down to it, if I have a problem with any of the above, it's never MSE. So yeah I definitely recommend using MSE as your primary AV.
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Old 21. Dec 2009, 03:15 PM   #40 (permalink)
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I agree with what J.L. has said and I think you'll be fine with the choices you've made. Spending 15 hours, or more, researching your options is time well spent if in the end you learn more about it all, your machine is clean and you save yourself some money.

When I decided to answer your question by posting my experience with MSE I did it with a slight trepidation, I really was anticipating that my comments would receive a bit of a kicking for some reason. The fact that they didn't shows to me the politeness of the people who use this forum, they give you the opportunity to voice your opinion without shouting you down from the rooftops if they disagree, making your decision harder. That's the beauty of it for me, and everyone is trying to help.

moserw has every right to err on the side of caution, after all MSE is very much the new kid in town when it comes to free AV and as such is by no means perfect, but then again, which one is? I followed the links that JohnnyDollar has provided and looked at the results, from the way I interpret them MSE doesn't seem to be doing so bad, and I've no doubt that one thing you'll have learned during your marathon research is that none of them are 100% flawless. In the end you make your choice and go with it, and understand that the user also has a massive part to play in keeping their machine clean.

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I'm in agreement with all that you said. Its not just the scanning and detection I have issues with but also how fast MSE updates itself and be up to date in terms of detecting "in the wild" malware.

My objection with MSE is not because its a new entrant, but more because its Microsoft. I dumped my paid Norton in favor of a free AVG when it came out first and even now I've been an early adopter of Panda Cloud AV.

But Microsoft is a different story with its history behind it. In terms of security almost all of its operating systems have been flawed when compared to say Apple or Linux alternatives. That is the only reason I would not recommend MSE. I may be wrong but its better to err on the side of caution I would feel.

At the end of the day though unfortunately there is no all-in-one or 100% solution or else we all would be using it.
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