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Old 17. Dec 2009, 03:44 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I am just blown away by the level of involvement here. Thank you all so much. I will spend all weekend checking out all the options you have proposed.

Midnight: I do not have a router as my systems are not networked (no shared devices either). I use a USB GSM wireless network stick that I move from system to system, so I am not sure if the firewall requirement still stands. Also, I do intend to keep N360 on my XP and Vista systems until March 2010. My new W7 laptop is 32bit, not 64. I will not be installing N360 on this system. I am not hung up on MSE, but I like your idea of it as a starting point. I am going to take a closer look at Avast and Avira as well.

Most of all, I must say that this is an outstanding forum for helping someone make an informed decision.
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Old 17. Dec 2009, 03:51 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I have MSE running on three machines here. Two laptops, one with Vista, one with XP - SP3 and a desktop with XP Pro - SP3, all three are running perfect.

Both laptops, XP and Vista, run with MSE and their respective Windows firewall and neither of them have been infected since MSE was installed. On the desktop, MSE runs in tandem with Privatefirewall 7.0 plus WinPatrol Free without any issues and again has remained free of infection. All three machines have suffered no slowdowns or any start up problems, in fact all three boot quicker than they did with other AV's installed - (the names of which are irrelevent for this post)

All three machines update daily, automatically, and all three scan at the set times, approximately. The only thing I have noticed is that, on the odd occasion, the MSE tray icon remains red (briefly) on the XP laptop. This I think is due to it not having much RAM (512) installed and it's an old machine, but on the occasions when this has happened the icon has turned green within a matter of seconds. The Vista laptop and the XP desktop have 2gig RAM and MSE loads instantly.

A full scan with MSE will take longer to complete than it will with other AV's (in my experience) especially the initial one, but I am talking about a few minutes here. That is of no importance to me and all three machines run perfectly well while the scan is taking place.

All three machines are scanned regularly with MSE and also with MBAM, SaS (stand alones') plus HitMan Pro. No infections have been found on any of them except for one FP with HitMan Pro on the desktop. I have experienced no false positives while scanning with MSE.

@emmjay ... you asked if anyone uses MSE, I do, and this is my honest appraisal of it, based on daily (heavy) use. I can't say how MSE runs on Windows 7 because I don't have it.. and neither does anyone that I know, yet. But I have installed MSE on several machines that don't belong to me and all users report the same as me .. no infections, all run fine.

As MC has said, you should take your time in choosing what's right for you and look around the user forums. The MSE forum might be a useful place to look, if you're thinking of using it, read through the questions that MSE users have submitted, and the answers provided. It's here

I have purposely not mentioned the names of any previous AV's (paid or free) that I have had installed previously. I am not comparing MSE to any other free AV. I am not saying that MSE is better than any other free AV .. but what I will say is that it certainly isn't any worse, at least not in my experience.

How good it becomes in the future I have no idea, time will tell. All I know is that I've been using for almost three months and it hasn't let me down once and in my view it will get better.

emmjay asked for an opinion, he got one ... sorry it's so long, but I hope it helps.

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Old 17. Dec 2009, 05:10 PM   #13 (permalink)
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The latest version of Comodo whilst good as gold on XP and Vista is having quite a few issues with x64 Windows 7 which is why I haven't installed it on mine
Although I've had problems with Comodo in the past, the most recent builds (for the past few months) have been working fine on both my 32 bit Windows 7 machines. Granted one is dual-core and one is quad-core, so I'm not sure how well it would run on a single-core or 64 bit.
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Midnight, I normally highly respect your opinion and judgment. This time, however, I have to question you referring to a test done by the Malware Research Group. Malware Research Group was determined to be dishonest and kicked off the Wilder's forum. (For details, see http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showt...research+group)

I'm sorry, Hitman Pro might be a great product, but I don't trust the results of any test done by MRG.
I do say in nearly all of my replies that people must make of these "tests" what they will. I don't trust PC Mag one bit either because after a lifetime of association with commercial practices I can't believe other than that they are influenced by their major advertisers who always seem to do well That said, there are others who think that just because Neil J Rubenking is clever enough to write a couple of books about Windows then we should believe everything else he comes out with.

Regarding MRG, this still rumbles on at Wilders and this extract is from one post there today.

"I am a litttle disapointed in your reaction You shouldn't beleve everything posted here on Wilders, defenately not from Paul since he never presented any proof for his accusations"

Pity there wasn't a built in spell check

There are also some pretty bad threads on Wilders about PC Tools firewall but that doesn't mean I would jump to remove it from our selection here.

All information has value but it's what you do with it that counts. I still maintain (as I do often) that picking a product which is consistently in the top few from a selection of tests is the way forward for anyone not capable of feeding malware into their own system and counting the results. Even the various YouTube presentations can figure in this as you can't really argue too much with what's being shown on the screen.
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Although I've had problems with Comodo in the past, the most recent builds (for the past few months) have been working fine on both my 32 bit Windows 7 machines. Granted one is dual-core and one is quad-core, so I'm not sure how well it would run on a single-core or 64 bit.
You are now tempting me I must admit that my reaction was fueled only by what I've read in the Comodo forum. Certainly I ran CIS (minus AV) consistently on x64 Vista and it was unbreakable.
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I am just blown away by the level of involvement here. Thank you all so much. I will spend all weekend checking out all the options you have proposed.

Midnight: I do not have a router as my systems are not networked (no shared devices either). I use a USB GSM wireless network stick that I move from system to system, so I am not sure if the firewall requirement still stands. Also, I do intend to keep N360 on my XP and Vista systems until March 2010. My new W7 laptop is 32bit, not 64. I will not be installing N360 on this system. I am not hung up on MSE, but I like your idea of it as a starting point. I am going to take a closer look at Avast and Avira as well.

Most of all, I must say that this is an outstanding forum for helping someone make an informed decision.
This then simplifies things a little because for x32 I would definitely suggest trying Privatefirewall and having the full benefit of it's process control module (formerly DSA). I can also vouch for it's stability on your type of connection which is exactly what I use here. I would just wait approx. two weeks until you see the version number change. An upgrade within this period is to address more leak tests at Matousec (yawn ) but you may as well have the updated release. The further developments early next year for x64 will now not concern you.
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@MC - Can confirm I've been using Comodo (only firewall) on 64-bit Windows 7 and it runs like the Comodo I've been using for years, just perfect.
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I do say in nearly all of my replies that people must make of these "tests" what they will. I don't trust PC Mag one bit either because after a lifetime of association with commercial practices I can't believe other than that they are influenced by their major advertisers who always seem to do well That said, there are others who think that just because Neil J Rubenking is clever enough to write a couple of books about Windows then we should believe everything else he comes out with.
I knew you wouldn't be able to resist, MC....

Another link related to MRG:

http://forum.avira.com/wbb/index.php...&postID=836831

MRG is not a certified testing organization/agency. And, it appears that MRG may be a front for ssupdater.

I also have the same qualms as you in regards to PC Magazine and PC World for that matter. There is no one right answer here. The answer is doing research, checking out reputable testing organizations (i.e. av-comparatives, Maltousec, etc.) and asking questions on forums. Then, testing out your options.

Personally, i just wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in what comes out of Malware Research Group.
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Old 18. Dec 2009, 02:23 AM   #19 (permalink)
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I've been using Avast for almost 2 years and have had no problems with it. It does what it is supposed to with no question asked, but the current a-v 4.8 will be replaced by 5.0 in the near future. There are promises of support for 4.8 for awhile with no time frame as to when it will be phased out 3, 6, 9 months only they know.

As support for my a-v I use Outpost Firewall Free and Win-Patrol Free, all three play nice and give a minimum of pop-ups, when one of them do its usually means something that's installed wants to do things differently and is flagged.

MBAM and SAS are my on demand scanners.

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If I decide I do not like 5.0 MSE is what I will try next.

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Belarc? I knew it was some odd name. Close enough for myself at least.
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