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Jojo Yee 13. Mar 2012 08:46 AM

We are in a post-PC world
 
"People argue about 'are we in a post-PC world?'. Why are we arguing? Of course we are in a post-PC world," said Ray Ozzie, the man who succeeded Bill Gates as Microsoft Corp's tech visionary"

"Windows 8 may help Microsoft bridge the gap to the post-PC world, but the 'doom and gloom' scenario for the company is people switching to portable, non-Windows devices," said Ozzie.

"It's a world of phones and pads and devices of all kinds, and our interests in general purpose computing -- or desktop computing -- starts to wane and people start doing the same things and more in other scenarios." -- Sourced from Reuters.

Here are some figures compiled from the interactive chart:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4474718/Smar...C%20growth.jpg

*Est.

rikishi19 13. Mar 2012 10:23 AM

Quote:

"People argue about 'are we in a post-PC world?'. Why are we arguing? Of course we are in a post-PC world,"
There are many arguments against this statement;

The absurd growth per year of tablets is largely associated to them still being a relatively new product on the market, which also means advances in its technology is much quicker and in bigger leaps with each advancement than established products, such as PC's.

There is also the substantial difference in price which means there is ultimately a much larger target audience for tablets.

Both of these also contribute to there being a much bigger incentive to current owners to upgrade lo latest releases; it is much more viable to upgrade a tablet due to less cost and many improvements over earlier releases. Whereas PC's have a very substantial upgrade cost and usually not many good reasons to do so.

Plus, do these figures incorporate PC parts? You can obviously upgrade a PC without purchasing an entire new PC, whereas you cannot with the other two.

I would be very surprised if the people purchasing tablets/smart phones are no longer using their PC's either. The products as a whole are just too different to justify his statement.

I think what he is truely meaning is that it is in Microsoft's best interests financially to focus on 'the world of phones and pads'.

We are not in a post-PC world in terms of PC use I believe.

MidnightCowboy 13. Mar 2012 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rikishi19 (Post 70428)
We are not in a post-PC world in terms of PC use I believe.

I tend to agree. I also think there is a concentrated effort by the marketing geniuses of mobile devices to manipulate users thinking in this direction :)

I remember when vacum cleaners were supposed to make a dustpan and brush redundant, yet we still have ours. There's also an advantage with this "outdated" technology in that when you drop your shiny new i-whatsit on the floor and it smashes into a zillion pieces, you cannot suck it up with a vacum cleaner, yet a dustpan and brush will do just fine :D

Jojo Yee 13. Mar 2012 02:03 PM

Of course I don't think the PC market will die overnight. It might take some years to reduce its significance. We have seen notebooks eat into the desktop PC market, and now we see 'tablets and smartphones' start eating into the notebook market.

From the same source, Ozzie says, "That doesn't mean the PC dies, that just means that the scenarios that we use them in, we stop referring to them as PCs, we refer to them as other things."

Imagine a few years back, when we need to check emails or browse a webpage, the only place is a desktop PC or notebook, now we have alternate computing devices like tablets and smartphones.

Here's another quote from Wikipedia:

"In July and August 2011, marketing businesses and journalists began to talk about the 'Post-PC Era', in which the desktop form factor was being replaced with more portable computing such as netbooks, Tablet PCs, and smartphones."

Taurus 13. Mar 2012 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jojoyee (Post 70438)
Imagine a few years back, when we need to check emails or browse a webpage, the only place is a desktop PC or notebook, now we have alternate computing devices like tablets and smartphones.

"In July and August 2011, marketing businesses and journalists began to talk about the 'Post-PC Era', in which the desktop form factor was being replaced with more portable computing such as netbooks, Tablet PCs, and smartphones."

No one mentioned Ultrabooks which I fell are the perfect cross between tablets and laptops. Too bad they're so expensive at this time. But that will change as the 2nd generation will be released this summer.

I'm the type of guy that wants his cell phone to be just that, a cell phone and nothing else. But give me an icore 5 and 6 gigs of ram in a solid, mobile platform at an affordable price for my real computing needs over a smartphone any day.

wdhpr 13. Mar 2012 08:52 PM

At the end of the day people will still want a standard sized keyboard and a monitor to get work done with. I don't own a smart phone any more but when I did I uploaded my file to my PC which I then used for editing, emailing and Printing the documents. I can see how a Tablet would be nice to have while on the road but I can see a notebook doing that job just as well or better.

Ryan950 16. Mar 2012 06:14 PM

We are transitioning from the PC world to the post PC world. I can see that in newer operating systems such as the upcoming windows 8 and mountain lion to ubuntu unity (11.04 and above). Even mobile operating systems like android offers file explorers as an option but without the multiple windows. I personally know someone who uses her android smartphone for her primary needs since she could barely use a computer. I can see the use of mobile operating systems like iOS and android as consumption devices rather than for productivity. Most of the people I know who have them use them for games and viewing websites and documents. Many people who use computers for productivity would require a precise input (like a keyboard and mouse) and a well sized monitor.

garth 17. Mar 2012 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdhpr (Post 70444)
At the end of the day people will still want a standard sized keyboard and a monitor to get work done with. I don't own a smart phone any more but when I did I uploaded my file to my PC which I then used for editing, emailing and Printing the documents. I can see how a Tablet would be nice to have while on the road but I can see a notebook doing that job just as well or better.

I don't own a smartphone either, got no intention of owning one anytime soon. My old desktop PC seems to be dying a slow death, something new seems to go wrong with it whenever i switch it on, but i rarely switch it on these days so maybe that's why. On the other hand my laptop is on all day everyday and i would never replace it with a tablet because there simply is no tablet available with the processing and multitasking ability of my laptop. Added to this, i like having a proper keyboard and a dvd drive and i like having a decent size screen. Tablets and smartphones are neat gadgets but for serious computing i still believe you need a serious computer, and tablets ain't that. That is all:D

kendall.a 17. Mar 2012 04:47 PM

Gareth??!!

Wow!! Haven't seen that name in a while! Welcome back sir!

garth 17. Mar 2012 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kendall.a (Post 70652)
Gareth??!!

Wow!! Haven't seen that name in a while! Welcome back sir!

Hey kendall:-)
Thanks dude, i drop in from time to time and stealth around a bit, this is after all the #1 freeware review site you know:p
It'd been a while since i posted but the other day i was looking at the "today i've mostly been listening to" thread and concluded it needed some rock 'n' roll injecting into it, so felt compelled to post some links, and one thing leads to another i guess:)

*looks around furtively, wonders how long til Anupam detects the off topic post and locks the thread, bans half the membership and mutters something about evil spammers* :p

Anupam 18. Mar 2012 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garth (Post 70658)
*looks around furtively, wonders how long til Anupam detects the off topic post and locks the thread, bans half the membership and mutters something about evil spammers* :p

:D ... well, for you, I will relax myself this time, since you have been a great team member to us. But, just this time, don't make this a habit :p

It's good to see you around Garth :)...

MidnightCowboy 19. Mar 2012 02:38 PM

The amount of malware targeting mobile devices has prompted a leading Hollywood director to make a movie about how this will affect users. The title is going to be "i-Pocalypse Now" :eek::D

Anupam 19. Mar 2012 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MidnightCowboy (Post 70728)
The amount of malware targeting mobile devices has prompted a leading Hollywood director to make a movie about how this will affect users. The title is going to be "i-Pocalypse Now" :eek::D

Starring Jojo? He has the most number of these devices as we know :D.

Jojo Yee 19. Mar 2012 03:47 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...px-Apocnow.jpg

http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/f...ipocalypse.jpg

p.s. click the images for their sources.

Anupam 19. Mar 2012 04:11 PM

The term actually exists :eek:

garth 20. Mar 2012 04:43 AM

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I'm still mildly disappointed that the first computer apocalypse (the Millennium Bug) didn't happen, looking forward to the ipocalypse:)
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Jojo Yee 31. Mar 2012 01:43 AM

Windows 8: An Inflection Point and A Compromise
 
Quote:

Those who believe that tablets are the future will find a simpler and purer system in the iPad. And those who believe that the PC is where it's at and always will be might be turned off by what they see as the unnecessary tabletization of Windows... But that's the issue: Traditional PCs might soon be in the minority compared with other computing devices.

The worry, simply, is that Microsoft's quest to create a no-compromises version of Windows that answers all needs might have resulted in something that is very much a compromise.
Source: For Better Or Worse, Windows 8 To Be Industry Inflection Point

MidnightCowboy 31. Mar 2012 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jojoyee (Post 71173)

I totally love Dedoimedo's interpretation of this.

http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/w...r-preview.html

Jojo Yee 21. Apr 2012 08:37 AM

What will be Windows 9?
 
Microsoft are working on Windows 9, even though Windows 8 hasn't been released yet.

And what will be Windows 9:
  • 64 Bit Only
  • Legacy Support will be dropped
  • One OS to run them all, PC, tablets, phones...
  • A Unified Interface

When? Expecting 2015.

Source: http://www.everything-microsoft.com/...-facts-so-far/

MidnightCowboy 21. Apr 2012 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jojoyee (Post 71767)

And what will be Windows 9:

Code name "Mubuntu" :D

Ryan950 23. Apr 2012 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MidnightCowboy (Post 71176)
I totally love Dedoimedo's interpretation of this.

http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/w...r-preview.html

After using the windows 8 consumer preview, I agree completely. No difference in performance between windows 8 and windows 7. Before trying out windows 8, I thought unity was a bad way to consolidate post pc and pc era, now windows 8 was just a complete mess, making it harder for the advanced user. It took me days to look for all my win7 software when I just had to do right-click>show all apps. The multi-tasking, well is just for touchscreens. Microsoft could have done better and well, the truth is that windows 8 seems to be designed for people who consume data and information rather than the productive. (No, 97% of facebook use does not count)
Windows 8 is the post-pc operating system, designed for consumers that still cannot buy an ipad. If that's the case, goodbye microsoft. ( Smilies at the linux computer with a windows partition not touched in months)
Mubuntu will probably be the codename for windows 9. Or Wubuntu..Or Winbuntu..Wint? Wandriva? Wackware?:)

Jojo Yee 14. May 2012 02:17 AM

Smartphones, not computers, drive most Facebook use
 
"The report revealed that Facebook users spent more time accessing the social network on smartphones than on computers in March.

Facebook users spent an average of 441 minutes — or 7 hours, 21 minutes — accessing the social network via smartphones during the month. By comparison, users spent 391 minutes — or 6 hours, 31 minutes — checking out Facebook on PCs." - CNN

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/05/08/te...ort/index.html

wdhpr 14. May 2012 05:38 PM

Smart phones seems to be all the rage with young adults. My daughter and nearly all of her friends carry one and it seems Iphones are loosing traction because I keep hearing how Android is just as good or better and not as expensive.

ShineyM3 12. Jun 2012 03:50 PM

The iPhone losing traction thing vs Android debate is much the same old debate that we heard in the 80s and 90s - Apple is dying and Windows is kicking its tail...but how did that one turn out? Fact is that if [I]any[I] company stops innovating then they're dead meat.

Jojo Yee 15. Jun 2012 04:35 PM

Microsoft Manufacturing Tablet to Rival Apple iPad, Says Insider (Exclusive)

Can a Microsoft-built tablet jump-start Windows 8?

ShineyM3 15. Jun 2012 11:36 PM

Sounds like...
 
...Bing! :D

Jojo Yee 20. Jun 2012 05:06 AM

Surface tablets by Microsoft
 
http://zapp5.staticworld.net/images/...w-11374297.jpg

Microsoft unveils two versions of tablets, Surface (using ARM-based Windows 8, aka Windows RT) and Surface Pro (using standard x86-based Windows 8).

A Surface tablet comes with a Kickstand, and a detachable cover cum keyboard in two types, Touch Cover and Type Cover. (see Hands on with Touch Cover Keyboard - iPad Killer)

The design of the Cover cum Keyboard looks better than that of a Transformer or others in the market. But Windows RT will officially only run software available through the Windows Store or pre-installed software.

What's your take on this?

20. Jun 2012 01:20 PM

My thoughts ...
For an introductory tablet it has some catchy innovation. This will appeal to some of the young folks in marketing or sales. A reliance on Outlook may make this tablet quite attractive to the mobile business community. The USB port is a smart move. RIM and Apple missed the boat here.

MS has had some dismal offerings in the smartphone market and they are slow in getting W8 to this technology. Many companies are allowing employees to use their system of choice for company communications and app sharing.The Iphone and Androids own this space.

So many corporations and government offices still use an XP desktop. Many have not converted over to W7 and it looks like W8 will be a nightmare for them to use. This is where Microsofts core business resides. The Surface tablet will not be a player in this space. MS may need to introduce a snazzy desktop with a migration path from XP to 'W7 business' (I am pre-announcing on their behalf). Governments are switching over to Linux in droves ... maybe the corp world will be next!

Juxxize 15. Aug 2012 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MidnightCowboy (Post 70431)
I tend to agree. I also think there is a concentrated effort by the marketing geniuses of mobile devices to manipulate users thinking in this direction :)

I remember when vacum cleaners were supposed to make a dustpan and brush redundant, yet we still have ours. There's also an advantage with this "outdated" technology in that when you drop your shiny new i-whatsit on the floor and it smashes into a zillion pieces, you cannot suck it up with a vacum cleaner, yet a dustpan and brush will do just fine :D

I think them marketing monsters want us on mobile devices because they can earn more £££ or $$$ from us, you are right midnight i still and always will use my dust pan and brush ( might you in saying that 2 month ago i bought a new fancy pants vacuum cleaner i'm using my dustpan and brush less and less , i'll try not to stop completely using it in case it spells to end of the PC :) but at least my house is cleaner )
I love my android phone but I got it to use mainly as a phone and to do all the other stuff secondly . For all stuff computer related I'll always use my laptop PC

Juxxize 15. Aug 2012 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdhpr (Post 72355)
Smart phones seems to be all the rage with young adults. My daughter and nearly all of her friends carry one and it seems Iphones are loosing traction because I keep hearing how Android is just as good or better and not as expensive.

I'm not surprized Iphones are lossing traction over android there is a big price difference .

Juxxize 18. Oct 2012 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jojoyee (Post 72351)
"The report revealed that Facebook users spent more time accessing the social network on smartphones than on computers in March.

Facebook users spent an average of 441 minutes — or 7 hours, 21 minutes — accessing the social network via smartphones during the month. By comparison, users spent 391 minutes — or 6 hours, 31 minutes — checking out Facebook on PCs." - CNN

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/05/08/te...ort/index.html

lol I think this can be explained by the fact people are super nosey ha ha, they need to know what everyone in the world that they know is doing at any given moment. Everyone I know has their phone set to notify via a beep of whatever when they get a message, a wall post , friend requests pretty much any facebook notification THAT WOULD DRIVE ME NUTS needless to say my phone isn't set to do facebook notifications
I suppose it depends what you do on-line , alot of people just spend time surfing and looking at stuff , doing their shopping and what-not .
My phone could never replace my laptop and in fact I'm looking in to buying a tower and even if i had the money I'd probably buy a windows 7 PC rather than a windows 8 because as I said before I think in another post I like to have a mouse in my hand and I don't even like touch-pads. <Just my 2 cent anyway.

Jojo Yee 23. Oct 2012 02:14 AM

PC Shipments Set to Fall in 2012 for the First Time in 11 Years
 
"The total PC market in 2012 is expected to contract by 1.2 percent to 348.7 million units, down from 352.8 million in 2011... Not since 2001--more than a decade ago--has the worldwide PC industry suffered such a decline."

Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/article/201...zJGVg.8P8.html

MidnightCowboy 23. Oct 2012 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jojoyee (Post 77418)
"The total PC market in 2012 is expected to contract by 1.2 percent to 348.7 million units, down from 352.8 million in 2011... Not since 2001--more than a decade ago--has the worldwide PC industry suffered such a decline."

Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/article/201...zJGVg.8P8.html

I think these figures need to be viewed in context with the global economic situation though. EU car production is down by more than 6% for instance compared with 2011, but that doesn't mean folks are switching to bicycles instead. :D I think given the financial ability, most households would choose to have both technologies, but with mobile units being cool, folks would rather ruin their eyesight staring at one of these if it comes down to a choice between the two. :)

Jojo Yee 23. Oct 2012 10:39 AM

Intel faces tough year as analysts forecast fall in PC sales
 
"With so much focus on the smartphone market, which is still seeing year-on-year growth of about 50%, the PC business is facing one of its toughest years ever, with analysts forecasting an overall decline in Windows PC sales this year."

"A report this week from the analysts IHS iSuppli says that while the combined market for PCs, smartphones and tablets will almost double over the next four years, Intel's share of the processors used in them will dip from 35% to 29%. So what can Intel do?"

Full story: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...-fall-pc-sales

Jojo Yee 23. Oct 2012 10:58 AM

When will this happen? :eek::confused::D

"Her goal is to get rid of all of the PCs," Benioff said. "She doesn't see a demand curve from users for PCs." Instead, the CIO is hoping to move to a BYOD (bring-your-own-device) approach, Benioff said. Next-generation mobile devices have "forced CIOs to make changes already," he added.

Salesforce.com CEO Benioff: Windows 8 will mark 'the end' of the Microsoft OS

Panzer 19. Dec 2012 10:22 AM

http://games.on.net/2012/10/the-myth...eplace-the-pc/

ChuckReid87 20. Dec 2012 03:18 AM

Let's not forget about the PC gaming world! There are still many people who enjoy and prefer PC games over console games. This is one area where tablets and the like will probably always lack.

Jojo Yee 03. Jan 2013 02:49 PM

Convergence Or Confusion: Comparing Apple’s And Microsoft’s Approaches To Post-PC
 
"In a lot of ways, with Windows 8, Microsoft got the jump on what Apple seems intent on doing with OS X and iOS: a convergence of desktop and mobile computing. But the approaches both companies are taking to changing consumer computing habits are very different, and both strategies have their merits and their pitfalls."

"Microsoft’s is definitely the braver strategy; the company must know it’ll make users uncomfortable with a change this significant... and one that should prepare users for the final step of doing away with told paradigm altogether next time around."

"Apple, on the other hand, is slowly making over its desktop experience, in a way that should ease the transition for users, but will ultimately keep desktop and mobile computing as distinct experiences for a lot longer..."

"Ultimately, while I respect the direction Microsoft is taking, Apple’s is the better to retain and grow loyalty as the world transitions from one kind of computing to a new model, the final look of which isn’t at all clear at this point. In fact, Windows 8 may actually help Apple considerably in its own mission, by taking risks and conducting experiments with an extremely large user pool from which OS X engineers can learn a lot. As has often been the case, Apple will watch Microsoft’s attempts to forge the future of hybrid computing experiences and take what it needs to jump ahead down the road. Great artists steal, after all."

Source: Convergence Or Confusion: Comparing Apple’s And Microsoft’s Approaches To Post-PC

Jojo Yee 18. Jan 2013 02:54 PM

Is Microsoft Actually in Third Place in Computing Devices?
 
"The compute landscape has undergone a dramatic transformation over the last decade with consumers responsible for the massive market realignment. While PCs were the primary Internet connected device in 2000 (139mn shipped that year), today they represent just 29% of all Internet connected devices (1.2bn devices to ship in 2012), while smartphones and tablets comprise 66% of the total."

"Further, although Microsoft was the leading OS provider for compute devices in 2000 at 97% share, today the consumer compute market (1.07bn devices) is led by Android at 42% share… "

"Moreover, Goldman Sachs sees Microsoft remaining in third place through 2016, with only 26% of the market at that time, in contrast to Google’s 39% and Apple’s 29%."

http://w8e.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-conte.../01/IDC-GS.png

Source: http://www.windows8enterprise.com/20...uting-devices/

Dedoimedo 18. Jan 2013 08:50 PM

I'm not sure why people bundle Android in the same category as Windows desktop.
Those are two different and largely non-competing segments.
Dedoimedo


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