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Old 24. Mar 2013, 12:42 AM   #61 (permalink)
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I suppose one way we could fore-see the future of this tablet/ smart phone v laptop/PC debate would be to know not how many of each unit are selling but what these units are being used for.
for example I mainly use my smart phone for reading a little browsing and listening to music, i use my tablet reading newspapers, comics webpages i've saved via pocket and a little browsing plus watching videos but i use my laptop PC for eveeeeeerrrrrrrrrrryyyyyything else
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Old 24. Mar 2013, 02:43 AM   #62 (permalink)
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I suppose one way we could fore-see the future of this tablet/ smart phone v laptop/PC debate would be to know not how many of each unit are selling but what these units are being used for.
Good point. Numbers of units shipped tell very little on their own.

Here, smartphones are taking more and more "user share" from what I see whereas many of the tablets bought for home use are now nothing more than ornaments as folks discover the handicaps of lugging these things around 24/7.
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Old 24. Mar 2013, 03:03 AM   #63 (permalink)
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Here, smartphones are taking more and more "user share" from what I see whereas many of the tablets bought for home use are now nothing more than ornaments as folks discover the handicaps of lugging these things around 24/7.
Pretty much it depends on the use case. Here I see they use tablets to watch movies and surf the net, at home and wherever they go.
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Pretty much it depends on the use case. Here I see they use tablets to watch movies and surf the net, at home and wherever they go.
Maybe things are safer where you are but here folks soon discovered that carrying a tablet around invites being hit over the head and having it stolen.
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Old 05. Apr 2013, 02:48 AM   #65 (permalink)
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Default PC sales decline much shaper than anticipated

"Consumer-electronic shoppers are increasingly favoring tablets and smartphones at the expense of personal-computer sales... For PC vendors, this is bad news. The decline is happening in a much sharper way than what we initially anticipated."

"Dell, once the top seller of personal computers, is another victim of the switch. Founder Michael Dell is attempting to take the company private as part of an effort to adjust to the changing dynamics..."

"While the PC business is struggling, the overall consumer- electronics industry is growing... Google’s Android operating system will account for 36 percent of those devices, Microsoft’s Windows software 14 percent, and Apple’s iOS and Mac software 12 percent."

Source: Bloomberg - Electronics Industry Upheaval Accelerates as PC Sales to Drop
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More fuel to the fire here but IMO the figures need a bit of deeper analysis. The fact that recession hit companies are now looking at a 5 as opposed to 3 year replacement cycle is very significant. Interesting too that Lenovo's sales to first time buyers in China and other developing countries are holding firm. This suggests that new users still want desktops, even if they are also buying tablets and smartphones at the same time (for which data is not available).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22103079
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Old 11. Apr 2013, 06:12 PM   #67 (permalink)
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Tablets just seem to be everywhere now. Most people, consumers, just want a way to get onto the internet, have their music, images, social networks etc. at hand. Most of them have no real use for a desktop PC, never really did. The mobile option is simpler and often much cheaper, and it's the tablet version you're seeing more of now.

Business is a different story. Although tablets can be, and are used as a tool for getting things done desktop PC's are, on the whole, still a requirement. I seem to be having these same discussions more and more with people I know - "what do you reckon we should be upgrading to, Windows 7 or 8? .. stick with XP for a few more months?" How would I know?

There is definite confusion, and that's just amongst the people that I know who run businesses. Some have gone with Win 7 now, but more are sticking with XP for a while longer, to see what might come next - none have opted for Win 8. We have a Win 8 laptop here now, bought not by me, but bought as a consumer item. To me, it was an utter waste of money. I messed around with it a couple of times when it was first purchased then haven't looked at it since. If it's not touch, it's pointless. That's the way I see it.

We also have tablets, I have one myself and have found myself using it way more than I thought I would, and being able to do more things with it than I ever thought I would - even in a work sense. Once you begin to use a tablet it's easy to see why they are so massively popular now.

But it's the constant changing of this technology, to me, that's the problem. Upgrade, upgrade, upgrade - people spending more and more on stuff that goes out of date, or fashion, no sooner than they've bought it. It's seems such a waste.

In a consumer sense maybe that's fine. But in a working environment it doesn't add up. Just what the heck are people supposed to do with all this outdated stuff? How much are they expected to spend on new hardware, OS's and all the rest of it? .. all to keep Microsoft at the top of the tree, and people are getting tired of this attitude from Microsoft. They're weighing up their options, looking for alternatives - and now there are alternatives. Tablets, BYOD etc.

Right now, here in this office, I'm almost surrounded by older desktop towers and laptops. I'm running out of space. Mainly XP but there are a couple of Vista ones now, all perfectly good machines but ones which are no longer used in various workplaces, some ours. So I've been helping a friend out, stripping and tweaking them when time permits and letting him have them to use at his fledgling business - where money is very tight. And he'll squeeze the absolute last drop out them - XP. Anything but waste them. There is still a use for them. Still a need. But in some cases, not the money to almost constantly upgrade.

We're not in the business of selling or repairing PC's, we just use them as work tools. We change them when they're done, hardware failure etc, to Win 7 now, but never just because MS say so.

For myself, personally, the desktop PC I use is still XP Pro. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it. I've also decided to put the Vista ones to use as spares - nothing wrong with those either for personal use. So that's a few more new desktop purchases that won't be being made. I will buy other tablets at some point though, but they won't be Windows.

I've never been in favour of change for changes sake where these things are concerned. I want my use out of what I buy - value for money and, to be fair, with XP I've had that. But it's sad to look at these towers and laptops I have here. Someone could really, really, get good use out of them. Maybe people not so fortunate as some of us, people who don't really give a damn whether they're XP or whatever Microsoft say is obsolete. They may not be necessarily powerful enough to run the latest OS, but they still can, and do run XP. What a waste. Forced change for changes sake.

I honestly do believe that Microsoft have shot themselves in the foot because of some very poor strategy. That, and they've been blind sided by the tablet revolution - not so much the smartphone, but tablets. They never saw it coming, not until it was too late. Add to that, business IT spend being cut in most places and .....

Like I said at the beginning, and many people have said it to me, all they wanted was a browser, emails, photos and some music. Now they have it. Look around here and you could probably get three or four decent tablets capable of that for the price of one Win 8 system .. and people are doing it in their droves. More desktop purchases that won't be being made. Others, who might want a desktop but not necessarily Win 8 don't have much choice, because that's the only version you can buy pre-loaded at the major retailers here. It's being forced upon people. And if that's the only way they can get people to buy it in numbers they'll lose the consumer battle.

The more I use a tablet, the more I see the value in them - regardless of the platform. But I can't see never having a desktop being an option, especially one hooked up to a printer. Although I do know people in business who are operating more with tablets than they thought was possible, hook one up with a smartphone and there is a lot you can do.
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Tablets are still making no logical sense to me from an economic perspective. By example, an ordinary Samsung tablet here costs 699 Brazilian reals whereas a desktop can be had for 100 less than this complete with keyboard and mouse, or monitor included for a 100 more. Desktop failure rates even at the budget end are minimal with a life expectancy of up to five years whereas the tablet failure rate within the first 12 months was a massive 16.6% last time I looked.

Also, repair costs for tablets are horrendous and just Google for how many are looking to have theirs fixed for reasons not applicable to desktops (such as I dropped it, or I put my knee through the screen )
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Absolutely agree about the life expectancy of tablets compared to desktops. But just having a quick look at the Website of one the UK's biggest retailers there are half a dozen Android tablets for sale for 100 or less, some less than 80. Five cheapest Win 8 desktops are 250 to 300. So you can get three tablets to one desktop - if you wanted to. So even here, where I wouldn't say consumer goods were exactly cheap, the price of tablets has fallen a lot in recent months and no doubt as the competition increases they'll fall even further. Most people are just looking at cost I suppose, and if the tablets only last 18 months to 2 years, which is about the length of time they'll keep a smartphone on a contract, they'll consider that reasonable. Then they'll be onto another one.

That's the way things are here, unfortunately - an electronics throw away society if you like. I don't agree with that way of thinking at all but, for sure, I'm in a minority now. As for tablet repairs, with most of them it's probably cheaper to buy a new one than have it repaired.

It's just the appeal of tablets all of a sudden, it's astonishing to me how quickly they've taken hold, especially the smaller screen ones.

A bit more reading here;

http://www.sfgate.com/business/techn...ws-4427438.php
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Good points. Prices here though are influenced by a couple of factors. First it always takes longer for price reductions to filter through into the Brazilian market than elsewhere mainly because of restricted practices and vendor collusion. Second, most folks use pirated Windows so buy a Linux installed desktop machine for considerably less than one with Windows.
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