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19. Jun 2009 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by debtboy (Post 7490)
If your not at least somewhat familiar with how an OS works in general,
then you shouldn't be messing around with installing a new one.
If you play with fire, you might get burned.

So we decide now who uses what software?

As stated, I have been asked to write an article aimed at beginners. Any distro recommended would hopefully minimise the risk of hardware not being identified. I concur though, that this is an issue, perhaps this is where you, in the forums, could help out.

I am not coming to Linux from a Windows point of view. Yes I have over 20 years of PC experience but I've also done system support/systems programming under MVS, VME, Ultrix, VMS, Unix, OS/2, Linux, ergo, I have no axe to grind. An operating system is just a piece of technology. Learn one, you can learn another. From the user's perspective it is ease of installation and use that makes the difference.

Finally, if I had an axe to grind I wouldn't have switched my laptop from Vista Ultimate to Ubuntu, I'd have moved it to Windows 7. The laptop 'lives' in our front room, so anyone who wants to use a PC while there are here uses that. I've had nothing but positive feedback from people who have used it. 'Fast', 'easy to use', etc, etc.

And finally, finally (:)), if you would like to contribute to how the testing is done, or the article itself, you are more than welcome to do so. Now, I can't say fairer than that, can I?

debtboy 19. Jun 2009 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by debtboy (Post 7490)
Ha! Ha! Ha! :D
I'm just making my point, which if you haven't figured it out yet is...
Your coming to Linux from a Windows point of view.
(Windows = easy install, simple to use, familiarity)
Your article will judge particular Linux distros by the first Windows standard,
(how easy is it install).
Part 2 of the article will probably be...
How simple is Linux to use ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by rikmayell (Post 7495)
An operating system is just a piece of technology. Learn one, you can learn another. From the user's perspective it is ease of installation and use that makes the difference.

Remember, ease of use should be Part 2 of the article. (Ha! Ha! Ha!)

Actually "from a USER'S perspective", what it can do is what makes the difference.

Maybe, from a "newbe wanting to try something different" ease of installation and
use makes all the difference.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rikmayell (Post 7495)
And finally, finally (:)), if you would like to contribute to how the testing is done, or the article itself, you are more than welcome to do so. Now, I can't say fairer than that, can I?

As for contributing...
Not this time, but I'll think about posting "HOW" Linux can be USED as a
print server, file server, web/ftp server, DNS sever, DHCP server, domain controller,
vnc server, media server, database server, proxy, router, etc...
all while being a GUI desktop computer!!

It's how you use it, not how easy it installs...

Don't get me wrong, the more Linux information out there the better,
but more Linux "bad press" over "it didn't recognize my webcam or monitor"
is not what is needed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rikmayell (Post 7416)
What I've seen so far of the 'simple' ones have not impressed. The four I've tested so far all require you to boot the live CD and install from there. The installation process in each case assumes you are familiar with GParted and which file system (I've selected ext3 in all cases) to choose.


19. Jun 2009 05:21 PM

I would say "from a USER'S perspective", what it can do and how easily it can do it, is what makes the difference. But isn't that true of any operating system and application software?

Quote:

Originally Posted by debtboy (Post 7505)
Not this time, but I'll think about posting "HOW" Linux can be USED as a print server, file server, web/ftp server, DNS sever, DHCP server, domain controller, vnc server, media server, database server, proxy, router, etc... all while being a GUI desktop computer!!

Our readers aren't generally looking for information on how to setup Linux as a server but you never now when the information might come in handy.:)

BTW, you forgot to mention using Samba on a Linux box to act as a WINS server. Now that is useful.

If Linux is to succeed it has to accept 'bad press' as a fact of life. The driver issue isn't going to go away, Linux has a long way to go to catch up with Windows; there were over 30000 third party drivers available for Windows XP in 2005. The risk here of course is to put quantity ahead of quality. That's not something I would like to see happen, but while the driver gap remains the critics will continue.

debtboy 19. Jun 2009 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rikmayell (Post 7508)
Our readers aren't generally looking for information on how to setup Linux as a server but you never now when the information might come in handy.:)

BTW, you forgot to mention using Samba on a Linux box to act as a WINS server. Now that is useful.

Yes the targeted audience must be taken into account.

As for Samba as a WINS server... :confused:
You can see from my post, that
Quote:

Originally Posted by debtboy (Post 7505)
As for contributing...
Not this time, but I'll think about posting "HOW" Linux can be USED as a
print server, file server, web/ftp server, DNS sever, DHCP server, domain controller,
vnc server, media server, database server, proxy, router, etc...
all while being a GUI desktop computer!!

I list DNS Server, Domain Controller and File Server
which all use Samba, (smb protocol), I didn't mention WINS
as it was replaced by DNS on the Windows side starting
with Windows 2000, and if you live in the Windows world
you HAVE to upgrade ($$) from time to time.


rikmayell, I have enjoyed this thread and look forward to your findings.

Installation and ease of use are real issues, that "new users" (compromise)
want and need to know about. You deserve to be commended for taking the time
to inform Future Linux Users of the possible installation pitfalls and comparisons
between distros.
Keep spreading the word, even if it's not so good :)

Good to see some activity...
The Linux section of this forum gets very quite for days at a time. :(

19. Jun 2009 07:05 PM

I'll keep spreading the word, and I have every hope that it will be good:)

Best regards,

Rik

wdhpr 19. Jun 2009 10:45 PM

I just want my lexmark x1185 printer to work on linux :p

wdhpr 20. Jun 2009 10:48 PM

Portable Ubuntu
 
Franco posted this link: Portable Ubuntu

Here you can get to know linux within windows. You can also run it off you usb stick. Installs easly. Like franco mentioned get a cup of coffee and let it do its thing.

I'm using it right now as I type this post. Still wont work with my lexmark printer though....lol

PS.. How would this apply to the Market Share?

Cheers
Wdhpr

Jojo Yee 14. Dec 2009 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdhpr (Post 7563)
I'm using it right now as I type this post. Still wont work with my lexmark printer though....lol

PS.. How would this apply to the Market Share?

I've downloaded a printer driver (HPLIP) from Ubuntu Software Center. After installation in Ubuntu, it works well with the HP laser printer.

If one likes Linux and uses it with a printer, better check out the supplier supports driver for Linux.

With the 32% Netbook market share, I'd think that more hardware suppliers are looking more seriously at their pockets now. :D

debtboy 14. Dec 2009 06:55 PM

I'm glad this post resurfaced as it gives me the opportunity to review some of my
previous statements with a slightly different perspective.

It appears, I had quite a sharp tongue as seen from from my first response here:
http://www.techsupportalert.com/free....html#post7490

I no longer feel so strongly on these matters and believe that everyone will make their own OS decisions.
I do advocate using Linux, but only for those who are ready to deal with the possible challenges that arise
and for those taking the plunge, I'd be more than happy to help, if I can
but my knowledge is limited and the technical side of Linux is vast.

I've previously told the members and mods on the forum, that I'm an awful writer and that hasn't changed :D,
but I'd be more than happy to attempt any Linux related reviews they wish me to do.
I can't believe, I spouted out my opinionated views without ever formally contributing to the forum. :o

MidnightCowboy 15. Dec 2009 07:56 PM

Well then there you have it. You haven't written anything directly for the site yet and many wish you would, I on the other hand write a lot and many wish I'd shut up :D Life is all about balance and I'm sure yours would be most welcome here :) Just let me know if you have anything specific in mind. You can already see from the signatures who's working on what stuff both here and on the main site.

A while back I made my own first tentative steps into Linux by dual booting Ubuntu 9.04 with x 64 Vista. I got on like a house on fire until I tried to update online to 9.10 which is when my problems started. I'm assessing my current Linux knowledge at competent beginner but I'm still not happy with much of what needs doing outside of a GUI environment. Since my problems started I've discovered that a conflict between the ATI chipset and the new linux kernel is causing unstable network connections for at least anyone running a SonyEricsson MD300 mobile broadband modem with either Ubuntu 9.10 or Fedora 12. My tech has suggested I wait because he thinks a fix will soon be forthcoming as Linix has a big following here in Brazil and Claro is the biggest supplier of 3G services using (amongst others) this modem.

I'm led to believe that Ubuntu Ultimate might have enough extra guts to run it but for a 3G file download that's a bit too big for my 256 speed account :)
In the meantime my tech has given me W7 Ultimate to keep me quiet so all is not lost. The distro I would really like to get sorted is Fedora so I guess I'll just have to wait for the eventual fix.


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