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Old 02. Dec 2010, 03:01 PM   #41 (permalink)
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...Their site blurb says "available in all the premium (donate) versions" so I'm not sure if it will be possible to add this to the core release.
...So you will be asked to enter an activation key, like the 'other' system. If not, then it will prompt you that your system is not genuine and the background turns black.
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Old 02. Dec 2010, 04:12 PM   #42 (permalink)
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...So you will be asked to enter an activation key, like the 'other' system. If not, then it will prompt you that your system is not genuine and the background turns black.
Not exactly. What they do is supply you with the program code only all mixed up so first you have to first decipher it and then compile it into an installable package

There's another gem of a distro on the horizon too but I'm not saying which one until I find out more about it
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Old 03. Dec 2010, 08:41 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Have only just noticed that a couple more offers of help with my modem issue have arrived in the Zorin forum to which I've now replied.

One I'm certain won't make any difference and the other is as yet "unknown" so we'll have to see what happens from here. This might mean reinstalling Zorin to check out the suggested fixes but at least this isn't as time consuming as swapping Windows around Makes sense to wait for V4 now anyway as I understand that the RC is imminent.

This isn't a criticism of the Zorin guys at all because I fully appreciate that their resources do not allow them to operate on the same level as Ubuntu but this issue highlights exactly my concern over levels of support. Many users, especially new Linux migrants, will do exactly the same as I did in that they hit a problem, a few days pass without any meaningful solution, so they either move on to something else or back to Windows.
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Old 03. Dec 2010, 04:23 PM   #44 (permalink)
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This isn't a criticism of the Zorin guys at all because I fully appreciate that their resources do not allow them to operate on the same level as Ubuntu but this issue highlights exactly my concern over levels of support. Many users, especially new Linux migrants, will do exactly the same as I did in that they hit a problem, a few days pass without any meaningful solution, so they either move on to something else or back to Windows.
It is interesting that you mentioned this. After spending 3-4 days on Peppermint and reading all the stuff in our forums here, to be honest, I haven't booted up that laptop in 2 days. Why? Basically frustration. Frustration that I can't figure out how to make Cairo transparent. Frustration that I can't figure out how to get Claws Mail to work with my MSN email. Frustration that adding programs/icons/folders to Cairo is not user-friendly. And, lastly, frustration about having to learn a whole new language and commands.

Don't get me wrong, I'll probably mess around with it some more this weekend. But, after a long day at work and only a couple hours in the evening, I'm not in a mind to have to problem-solve computer issues. I just want it to work. Who knows, I might even up installing Ubuntu 10.10 instead this weekend.
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Old 03. Dec 2010, 05:19 PM   #45 (permalink)
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It is interesting that you mentioned this. After spending 3-4 days on Peppermint and reading all the stuff in our forums here, to be honest, I haven't booted up that laptop in 2 days. Why? Basically frustration. Frustration that I can't figure out how to make Cairo transparent. Frustration that I can't figure out how to get Claws Mail to work with my MSN email. Frustration that adding programs/icons/folders to Cairo is not user-friendly. And, lastly, frustration about having to learn a whole new language and commands.

Don't get me wrong, I'll probably mess around with it some more this weekend. But, after a long day at work and only a couple hours in the evening, I'm not in a mind to have to problem-solve computer issues. I just want it to work. Who knows, I might even up installing Ubuntu 10.10 instead this weekend.
I can completely understand your above-mentioned frustrations and attempting to learn about a Linux distro can be a very steep learning curve.

When it seems impossible to solve a problem, even though you look on he Internet and try an assortment of fixes, this can leave you wondering why is everything designed not to work!

My own experience with Zorin (have not tried Peppermint) was that it simply failed to connect to the Internet via my wi-fi. Yet the actual O/S looked promising especially the choice of different Windows setups.

Good luck with Ubuntu!
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Old 03. Dec 2010, 08:52 PM   #46 (permalink)
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When it seems impossible to solve a problem, even though you look on he Internet and try an assortment of fixes, this can leave you wondering why is everything designed not to work!
I have been observing this thread for a few days now. My conclusion is, don't expect a linux OS to work just like Windows.

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Zorin OS features the unique Look Changer program which allows users to change the user interface at the touch of a button. Simply click on either the Windows 7, Windows XP or Linux's GNOME interface in Zorin OS Core and Educational and your desktop looks and behaves accordingly. The Premium versions (Zorin OS Gaming, Multimedia and Ultimate) also include the Mac OS X, Windows Vista and Windows 2000 looks.
To me this is a bit misleading. I believe with some tweaking and downloading themes you can make Ubuntu 10.10 look like Windows, although looking like a version of Windows does not mean acting like Windows.

With this said I may even give Zorin a try. But I won't do it any time soon. What works for me is to stay with a particular version of linux for an extended time. I stayed with Simply Mepis for almost 2 years and I Have been with Ubuntu for a couple months and plan on sticking with it for at least another six months. There are thousands of tweaks that can be tried and I would never know about them if I keep changing platforms. But first you have to find a version of linux that works with you and your hardware.

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Old 04. Dec 2010, 02:33 AM   #47 (permalink)
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... After spending 3-4 days on Peppermint and reading all the stuff in our forums here, to be honest, I haven't booted up that laptop in 2 days. Why? Basically frustration. Frustration that I can't figure out how to make Cairo transparent. Frustration that I can't figure out how to get Claws Mail to work with my MSN email. Frustration that adding programs/icons/folders to Cairo is not user-friendly. And, lastly, frustration about having to learn a whole new language and commands.

Don't get me wrong, I'll probably mess around with it some more this weekend. But, after a long day at work and only a couple hours in the evening, I'm not in a mind to have to problem-solve computer issues. I just want it to work. Who knows, I might even up installing Ubuntu 10.10 instead this weekend.
I tend to agree with wdhpr to first find a version of Linux that works with your PC.

Based on my personal experience, the first distro which is best to try out is Ubuntu, which is the most popular distro as listed on DistroWatch for the last 12 months, before you give a chance to try out other distros. Ubuntu has more complete documentation and you can find solutions more easily IMO.

Ubuntu has Network Manager for network connectivity and is installed by defualt. It works with my Wifi connection out of the box. As an alternative, you can also use Connection Manager (ConnMan) in Ubuntu with the instructions given.
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On a different note. I have used Cairo dock, Docky, and AWN (Avant Window Navigator). Over all I came to like AWN best. My only complaint with it is that it has a bug where "unsupported" or "unrecognized" programs all end up getting the same icon assigned to them if you use the "customize icon" function in AWN. (e.g. Programs that are not really installed, just run from a unzipped folder or any programs that doesn't have an icon in the menu.) It took a bit to figure out, but it is very simple to solve. You just create a launcher for the program, put the launcher in a folder somewhere out of the way, assign the icon you want to it, and then add the program to AWN.

I think AWN has some of the best features of them all and looks very nice. You can easily make it look and function just about any way you can imagine. I like a simple clean look, and use my own custom made "text" icons on it. Below is a screen shot of mine with transparency enabled.

P.S. If anyone is interested in how I created the icons, it is extremely easy, and takes about 30 seconds using a template file to create a new one if I want to add a program. Just ask and I will do a quick tutorial.
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Can obviously see your design background shining through the transparancy here (if you'll pardon the pun )

I have different news about Linux (mine anyway) which is just too distressing for weekend consumption so I'll save it until Monday
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Sorted now thank goodness and although I can appreciate Kendall's frustrations, yesterday I experienced this the other way round, albeit from a different perspective. I think it's also fair to say that even moving between Windows versions can be equally frustrating.

The issue I had was that finally we managed to source a second ISP with a cable in our road. Service from the incumbent provider was awful so I reasoned that the new one could hardly be worse Trouble is, like the first one, they only "supported" Windows installations so this is what I had to have in order to sign up. Loading Windows 7 itself is no big deal but then look at what else I had to go through installing and updating security software, browsers and other stuff of choice just to be happy with a basic configuration of programs. All well and good if you only want to use the Microsoft offerings, but I don't. As it was, after the install technician left and their main guy arrived with the papers to sign, after a short discussion I was "authorized" to use Linux. I guess this was helped by the fact that with steam coming from both ears I pointed out that the technicians battered laptop which he used to communicate with their base was running Ubuntu!! When I asked him why, he said it was because a lot of the networks they have to plug into are infected!!

So yesterday was pretty much a waste of time all round but hopefully the experience will have long term benefits
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