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View Poll Results: What is stopping people from trying linux?
Reputation for being to difficult to use and set up 10 66.67%
Software availability and development 8 53.33%
Hardware support 4 26.67%
I love Windows and want to make Bill Gates richer 0 0%
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Old 29. Jul 2009, 06:12 AM   #71 (permalink)
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I've dabbled in Linux quite a lot over the past year, but every time I have come away dissatisfied, with one exception.

I am extremely happy with my Ubunutu Server. It has no GUI, so everything is done with the command line, but I find this much more efficient for a server, and it's a great opportunity to learn some real Linux usage. My server is a local web server and Subversion server. I mainly use it to test my websites before I make them live, or when I'm making changes. Ubuntu Server provides an excellent way for me to do all of this.

That's the exception, though. For a desktop OS, I'd almost go as far as to say the Linux fails. I know that will probably get me a lot of arguments, so let me explain. The whole idea of Linux is great. The repositories is actually a really well thought out way to keep software updated. Windows doesn't have anything like this; Windows Update hardly compares. Linux definitely has some strong points over Windows.

To be honest, the main reason I always end up saying "forget it" and getting rid of a Linux install is because I have yet to find a desktop distro that just feels polished. To me, Windows 7 (even Vista) feels professional and slick at the same time. Linux always feels like a toy. It's not serious enough, at least as far as looks go. I know that I can download custom themes and all of that, and I have, but I'm still not satisfied. If anything, I think that's one of the biggest reasons people haven't adopted Linux much. It just isn't professional enough to the average eye.

The other main reason I've found, and it may be counterintuitive, is that Windows is mainstream. Everybody uses Windows. Yeah, so maybe 5% is taken by Linux and Mac combined, but Microsoft basically owns the world with Windows. People use Windows because that's what computers have always had. This reminds me of a quote I once read that went something along the lines of, "Computers change, but people don't." If people don't have a really, really good reason to change, they generally won't. I once read an excellent article on why it doesn't matter that Linux is free when convincing people to use Linux. Unfortunately I can't find it, but the gist of it was that most people don't even notice the cost of Windows because it's the default. It comes on prebuilt computers. People just expect it to be there.

This post is getting long, so I'll conclude. I really think the main reason the world isn't running to Linux, a free, possibly even better, alternative to Windows, is because people don't care. If a kid can get on YouTube and Facebook to connect with friends, why does it matter what OS he/she is on? If a parent can check work email and surf for vacation spots, again, why does the OS matter to them? Only geeks really care about software, especially OSes, so only geeks are the ones who care enough to switch and to get people to switch.

I realize that this doesn't all apply all of the time, but I really do feel that this is pretty accurate.
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Old 29. Jul 2009, 03:26 PM   #72 (permalink)
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Hi compeek

Welcome to the forum.

I believe your analyst is spot on. For me, I love linux. I use the 64 bit version of Mepis. Its fast and smooth. The problem is I will not get rid of my windows XP anytime soon. In fact I will probably pony up the cash for windows 7.

You see I dual boot into linux. Why not leave windows? A couple of reasons. 1, the hardware support for linux sucks! I still cant get my lexmark printer to work.
2, ever rip a dvd using linux? Well I still haven't been able too.
I have to use wine (the utility) to run certain window's apps that doesn't have a linux equivalent.

That's the tip of the iceberg because there is many more reasons not to mentioned the polished feel of the os.

Yes I love the speed of linux and I am beginning to like the flexibility of the command line. I just cant tolerate the adventure needed to install software or make already installed software work.

Linux just has a way to go. I'm not sure it will ever truly compete with window's

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Old 29. Jul 2009, 06:12 PM   #73 (permalink)
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i've dabbled in Linux, elusively live cds with no big commitment, but i felt a need to switch. i like windows, and i like windows applications. i don't mind paying for software when it offers what i need.

open office vs ms office?
gimp versus photoshop?
konqueror versus directory opus?

there's just no comparison.

plus, i'm just an average user. i prefer GUIs to consoles. i don't want to have to type a massive regex script just to find files that were modified yesterday (ok that's probably an exaggeration, but you get my point).

windows 7 is particularly nice. i install it, and everything works. i can get online, watch HD video, stream audio... it just works. i pre-ordered it for just 50 quid a few weeks ago when microsoft was having a pre-sale, and i'm content.

i really want to like Ubuntu. it looks great, and seems like an excellent system. i'm sure it is an excellent system. but it just seems like it's not the system for me...
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Old 31. Jul 2009, 04:08 PM   #74 (permalink)
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I think part of the problem is that existing Windows users come to Linux with a slightly 'warped' degree of expectation.

I recently changed our family Sony laptop from Vista Ultimate to Ubuntu. My wife loves it because it just works and it's much faster. Ok, I spent far amount of time behind the scenes configuring the printer, but the end result is success.

Ultimately, if what you use works for you then that's the main thing isn't it?
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Ultimately, if what you use works for you then that's the main thing isn't it?
I think you hit on a key point here. Without overgeneralizing too much, it always feels to me like most Linux users are extremely pushy. They think they have the best OS, no questions asked, and they think everybody should have it. I strongly disagree.

I don't try to convince people to use Windows, but then again there isn't much need to. People do already.

Anyway, I agree. If it works for you, that's what counts.
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I think part of the problem is that existing Windows users come to Linux with a slightly 'warped' degree of expectation.

I recently changed our family Sony laptop from Vista Ultimate to Ubuntu. My wife loves it because it just works and it's much faster. Ok, I spent far amount of time behind the scenes configuring the printer, but the end result is success.

Ultimately, if what you use works for you then that's the main thing isn't it?
indeed. 'what works for you'. some like linux because its free. or because it's more flexible than windows. but some like windows because it's easy. or because it offers better support for mainstream commercial apps... it's entire relative, and while there are evangelists on both sides, it's all down to personal preference.

btw: clowns and jesters. i lived in southampton for 9 months, and all i remember is colowns and jesters
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was the printer a Lexmark?
If so could you please share?

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I like playing with Linux 'cos you can't break it. Just grab the free disc that you created and try again.
I can't argue about linux kernels and windows whatever!! I'm trying a Vista/Ubuntu dualboot having 'graduated' from Wubi, (Windows Ubuntu Installer)
http://wubi-installer.org/ a clever & safe way to try out Linux.

Having gone for duaIboot I decided to see if I could restore the Vista mbr and go back to Vista only with no ill effects & this worked. So now back to dualboot to see which I prefer.

As someone else pointed out ... it's whatever works for you. Whether that be Windows 7, Windows 98, Vista, Ubuntu, Debian, PCLinux etc ... so what I'm saying is ... have fun!!!
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I like playing with Linux 'cos you can't break it. Just grab the free disc that you created and try again.
I can't argue about linux kernels and windows whatever!! I'm trying a Vista/Ubuntu dualboot having 'graduated' from Wubi, (Windows Ubuntu Installer)
http://wubi-installer.org/ a clever & safe way to try out Linux.

Having gone for duaIboot I decided to see if I could restore the Vista mbr and go back to Vista only with no ill effects & this worked. So now back to dualboot to see which I prefer.

As someone else pointed out ... it's whatever works for you. Whether that be Windows 7, Windows 98, Vista, Ubuntu, Debian, PCLinux etc ... so what I'm saying is ... have fun!!!
To be honest, I installed linux on my machine out of curiosity. I just wanted to see for myself what all the hype was about. I'm glad I did. I see an OS with extreme potential.

Hardware support is a major issue for me. Not just because I can't get my printer to work. There are other hardware issues. Graphic cards for one. Manufacturers just don't lend enough support to linux for their hardware.

I use Linux for entertainment more than anything else. I also continue to learn the OS, Also If I have a major windows crash linux could come in handy. I will continue to keep linux on my two hardrive machine for a very long time.

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Old 05. Aug 2009, 03:38 PM   #80 (permalink)
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was the printer a Lexmark?
If so could you please share?

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Sorry, no the printer wasn't a Lexmark.

The way I've worked round this before is to find a printer driver for another similar printer (same core printer engine, say PCL) that supports the connection method you use and try that. Be aware though that even if you find a driver that works you may lose some printer features.

Best advice I can offer I'm afraid
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