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chris.p 08. Mar 2009 04:13 PM

Linux - 21st century or what
Is it, or is it not, a fair comment to say that Linux is like Windows going back ten years and having to go into DOS to do anything important?


What are the pros and cons of Linux?

chris.p 08. Mar 2009 04:46 PM

That kind of looks like a bit of a negative start even though it's just a joke - so I'd better set the record straight.

I'd prefer to use Linux, if I could, and if:
1. It had the same need for the command line as Windows, ie none, until you want to dig deep under the hood.
2. If my software had a version that worked on it.
3. If it had the same interoperability, ie with hardware, file formats etc.

No arguments that Linux is the best server OS by a mile. And the best desktop OS for security.

I can't tell you how much I'd like to see a usable Linux distro before Windoze becomes so bloated, complex, slow and intrusive that it's no use for basic business use.

christoph 08. Mar 2009 05:32 PM

ad 1. no, you've got to like, if not love 'command line acrobatics', sometimes over several lines, cryptic, awesome ;)
ad 2. You'll get a lot, and you can change your behaviour to using web apps. Then the difference will be tolerable.
ad 3. Don't know about hardware, but interoperability even with the most recent Windoze software is possible

just a quick reply... :o

09. Mar 2009 01:37 AM

I have Suse Linux 11 running in a VMWare VM, 512Mb RAM under Vista 64. Quite how browsing in Linux is faster than in Vista, given this setup, is unclear to me, but it is!

As to Chris P''s points:

1. The command line thing doesn't bother me, I do all my Windows desktop and server admin from the command line.
2. There's loads of software for Linux but if you have a very specific requirement you could be left out in the cold.
3. Not quite sure what you mean about interoperability, but it's true there aren't as many drivers for Linux as for Windows. According to MS there were 30,000 third party drivers for XP as of Jan 2005!

I have my own gripes:

1. I have never been able to get printing to work, CUPS is a nightmare. Add to that the driver for my HP OfficeJet 6310 has to be downloaded as source and built...need I say more?
2. Why should installing a device driver, which will run in kernel mode the same as Windows, require the kernel to be rebuilt?:confused:
3. I don't buy the security thing. I need a local admin or domain admin user ID and password to nuke Windows, on Linux I just need the root password. Where's the big difference?

Regardless of my gripes I'm impressed by Linux and think it has a bright future. To be honest I use Windows because I have to.

Can anyone suggest a suitable distro for a Sony laptop, need wireless and wired networking and the connections need to be 'bridged.'

My thoughts.

abhishek 09. Mar 2009 07:40 PM

I use linux everyday at work. None of the tools I use would work on Windoze. Moreover, the amount of work you can accomplish with a single command on the command line would take me half a day to accomplish in GUI. Need I say more to emphasize that Linux (and the command line) is really powerful? All you need is a good place to begin with. I think Ubuntu Linux is doing pretty well on that front. It has many of the features that Microsoft provides in its PAID software...


christoph 09. Mar 2009 09:29 PM


Originally Posted by abhishek (Post 1336)
None of the tools I use would work on Windoze.

At your service, sir :D

Please, don't get me wrong, I would leave Windoze NOW, if I could. I'd love to become 'windoze free', and start telling the world, we're free it's over. But can you imagine the famous Auntie Trudy using linux. LOL.

Can you name me please (think of Auntie please)
  • one decent filemanager (DOpus on Windoze - my wife loves DOpus! -, have a look at it, before you say 'Krusader', 'Dolphin', 'Konqueror', 'GnomeCommander, and the like)
  • one user friendly programmer's editor (not 'emacs'!!!) like notepad++
  • one user friendly streaming application like - well, I'll settle for 'Screamer Radio'
  • one simple, single, and user friendly way to always install all software
It's not about convincing the people how powerful the command line is. It's about making the command line obsolete for average users.

NTSMadDog 12. Mar 2009 07:07 PM

Well I am new to the Linux scene. I imagine like most I was not sure i wanted to try it, for fear of not knowing what I was doing. I loaded Ubuntu on a machine that was having trouble with windows, and it loaded up, updated itself, and ran flawlessly. I was very impressed. It didn't take long for me to figure out how to run the different built in software, again very impressed with these.

It did take a little while to figure out how to install new software and to get other things to run on it. However after some time, I was able to install and play a call of duty game. I think Linux is ready for the average user, but since a lot of apps, and games (I'm a gamer) won't work on it, I personally can't run it on my main machine.

I would like to try running it as a home server, does anyone have any experience with that.

christoph 12. Mar 2009 08:09 PM

I love Linux
but that doesn't make me blind, though it maybe should. ;)

Why do you say it is ready for the average user, when you also say it is difficult to install additional software? Now let your Aunt install OpenOffice 3 on XP and have her repeat that NOW on Ubuntu. HA!!

The idea of Linux, the spirit, the future I believe is GRAND. But as of now, it is not a substitute.

Just the other day I got one of my favourites finally up and running (commercial mind mapping), felt so proud and happy. Further usage showed, many of the features I love so much under XP are simply missing. Don't work. Do not exist. Too bad :mad:

grimbles 12. Mar 2009 10:13 PM

NTSMadDog hit the nail right on the head...'I love Linux but I don't use it because......'

Nuff said!!


chris.p 13. Mar 2009 12:27 AM


If you're looking for a quick answer to the home server question, maybe you could try XAMPP. This is a LAMP server install on Windows.

The advantage is that all management is in a Windows GUI and until you've tried a Linux server you won't appreciate how marvellous *that* is. You shouldn't really use it for production (though a lot of people do), but for a LANserver it's superb.

You can run flat sites, CMS sites, files or whatever off it.

Funnily enough I know where there's an excellent tutorial for Xampp to help smooth your way: just google 'xampp manual' and pick the #1 result :)

Also I've just remembered there's a good tute on this site by Robert Schifreen on installing Ubuntu server:

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