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Old 06. Nov 2009, 08:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Thumbs down Ubuntu 9.10, the Windows killer..No

Ubuntu 9.10 is a major change to earlier 9.x versions. Much touted as a Windows 7 killer, I has chance this afternoon to try it out. I may not be the best judge as I expect things like this to 'just work.'

No problem with the installation, couple of things, not unreasonable, to sort on the first reboot and I'm happy, for about 30 seconds.

Ubuntu recognises my external USB drive that has all my music on it, Trying to play an MP3 gives me the 'cannot do this message, offer to search?' Search finds nothing. I eventually identify the modules needed, download and install them and then try to access my music.

Goes from bad to worse. Run a 'music player', import a directory and it will only play one track. I tried several, made no difference.

Now the people who designed the interfaces to these things, and I use the term(s) loosely, are wasting my time. If I put a CD in my CD player and press play, it works. Why the difference?

When it comes to technical things I have great patience. Things like this, unless I've sussed in 10 seconds, forget it. I suppose that's why Apple have just posted increased sales and profits. Next year we'll see the Windows 7 effect on MS profits.

Finally, I don't want to spend my time working out how to use something that is second nature to you or a sound engineer. I just want music.

Overall : FAILED
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The rest of it was OK then?
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Old 07. Nov 2009, 02:42 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Ubuntu 9.10 is a major change to earlier 9.x versions. Much touted as a Windows 7 killer, I has chance this afternoon to try it out. I may not be the best judge as I expect things like this to 'just work.'

Ubuntu recognises my external USB drive that has all my music on it, Trying to play an MP3 gives me the 'cannot do this message, offer to search?' Search finds nothing. I eventually identify the modules needed, download and install them and then try to access my music.

Goes from bad to worse. Run a 'music player', import a directory and it will only play one track. I tried several, made no difference.
I agree with Rik that I expect things to just work. If the OS never asks me to go DOS or Terminal to key in some commands, I will give it a thumbs-up.

My experience in playing mp3 on Rhythmbox Music Player, a default player pre-installed with Ubuntu 9.10, is still good.

When I click an mp3 file, it prompts me to download 3 extra files, I click OK and it downloads for me without me searching, and it plays well after downloading. Unfortunately, Ubuntu doesn't want to include mp3 codec by default. It has been touted in this article the first thing to do among 10 Things To Do After You Install Ubuntu.

I tried my mp3 collection in my external harddisk via an USB port. Imported the folder into the music player, and it still plays fine for me. It auto plays the second mp3 after finishing the first one with no issue.

Close the music player, unplug and replug the harddisk, re-open the player, hey, the imported list of mp3 is still there. I don't need to import again. (not yet tried it if it works the same when I re-start the OS).

So far, one thing I'm most unhappy with is that the windows manager comes with Ubuntu always open up the window at the top left of the desktop area. It can't memorize the position of the last open winows. Worse still, I managed to set the windows to open at the center when using Ubuntu 9.04, and I couldn't get it to work the same using Ubuntu 9.10. Certain tips I got from 'Mr. Google' do not seem to work either.

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Old 07. Nov 2009, 02:47 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Funny how I was reading this review about Ubuntu 9.10 just a few minutes ago. It's a very comprehensive review that covers a lot of things, though the reviewer, an experienced Linux user, had encountered quite a few problems, it just goes to show that Linux isn't going to kill Windows anytime soon. But remember that Ubuntu isn't the only Linux distro available, and also the fact/myth (please underline the correct answer) that Linux has a habit of working well on some PCs while having problems on others.

http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/ubuntu-9-10.html

Also, the reviewer will be reviewing Kubuntu, Xubuntu, OpenSUSE and Fedora soon so stay tune.

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Old 07. Nov 2009, 03:46 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Thanks bk_7312 for pointing to this article Ubuntu 9.10 - One step forward, two steps back, well written and informative.

While I'm reading it...

On the 'Confusing stuff' about IBus, it says:

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Some of the menu entries are not that clear. For example, there's the IBus entry. I have no idea what it does...
IBus refers to "Intelligent Input Bus". According to Wiki, it is "an input method (IM) framework for multilingual input in Unix-like operating systems [like Ubuntu Linux]. It's called "Bus" because it has a bus-like architecture."

I use IBus on Ubuntu 9.10 smoothly without an issue. I need IBus to input Eastern language characters on applications running in Ubuntu 9.10, and it works quite similarly to the way the language bar and input methods used in Windows.

On this point, I give Ubuntu 9.10 a thumbs-up, but it should consider to use 'input method' or other general terms rather than the technical term 'IBus'.

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Old 07. Nov 2009, 04:14 AM   #6 (permalink)
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On Grub 2, it says:

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If you watch your machine boot, you will see that the GRUB is titled GRUB 1.97Beta4, which hardly inspires confidence...I have not yet tested chainloading or upgrading, so I can't report much on this yet, but I will update you as soon as I complete testing.
I also don't understand why Ubuntu 9.10 has to push for Grub2 while its 9.04 is using legacy Grub.

Ubuntu 9.04 allows you to edit Grub file (menu.lst) directly, 9.10 doesn't allow you to edit Grub2 file (grub.cfg) directly.

I've tested chainloading from Win7 to Ubuntu without an issue. See my related post.
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The rest of it was OK then?
No it wasn't

This is just a simple example of something that should work out of the box. Ok, they claim they cannot install the MP3 software due to legal issues. Fine I can understand that. But why offer a search option that just doesn't work??

We still have the boring graphics and resolutions included with Ubuntu, unless we choose to install a driver owned by the hardware supplier. No bit difference from Windows 7 there then.

Boot and shutdown times are now so bad I start the process and go and do something else. This puts 9.10 on a par with Vista. Windows 7 is streets ahead due to significant efforts to reduce resource contention in the kernel.

This all sounds like I hate Ubuntu. I don't. My downstairs laptop runs it all the time, just a pain to have to sort audio out again. On my main machine I switch between the 64 bit versions of Ubuntu 9,10 and Windows 7, depending on the tools that I happen to need.

Perhaps the next major release of Ubuntu will once and for all nail these multimedia issues. Who knows?

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Well, having had to wait a week for my mobile tech to come back I am (supposedly) getting a clean install of 9.10 this morning together with whatever script has had to be re-written to enable my Sony/Claro modem to connect.

If all goes well it will be bye-bye and hasta-la-VISTA and I'll be able to look at this version of Ubuntu for myself
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So far, one thing I'm most unhappy with is that the windows manager comes with Ubuntu always open up the window at the top left of the desktop area. It can't memorize the position of the last open windows. Worse still, I managed to set the windows to open at the center when using Ubuntu 9.04, and I couldn't get it to work the same using Ubuntu 9.10. Certain tips I got from 'Mr. Google' do not seem to work either.
I managed to get it to work now with this (after installing CCSM):

System > Preferences > CompizConfig-Settings-Manager > Window Management > Place Windows > Placement Mode > Centered.

At least now any new window will open up in center (as it does in 9.04), and not in a top-left corner. The placement mode 'smart' doesn't look smart at all to me.
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Default Ubuntu early adopters will always smart for it.

One thing many experienced Ubuntu users will do is wait a month or so after a new release before upgrading. I have been using Ubuntu for a quite some time now and find that most of the initial problems are ironed out in the first 4 or 5 weeks. If you use a community edition such as Linux Mint, you will usually find it has less bugs because it is released after most of the original bugs are fixed. It is interesting to note that statistically Karmic has been just about as troublesome for early adopters, as Jaunty, which was just a little better than Intrepid.

Anyway since Ubuntu releases a new edition every 6 months it does not really give the OS enough beta and RC testing time. It really does Canonical a lot of harm and also Linux in general because users who may looking to move to a new OS from Windows will usually download the newest editions (instead of the LTS edition) and they will give up on it and may not try again.

While I agree that 9.10 is definitely not a Windows 7 killer, Ubuntu has come a long way in the last seven years for a free OS and a lot of hopes are hanging on 10.4 which will be the next LTS.
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