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Old 21. May 2018, 05:12 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I often drop in on Dedoimedo's website for his articles on Linux. Every now and then his articles encompass matters that apply to the human condition as a whole.

One phrase in particular that applies to the business side of things:
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But the problems begin once people try to build business models they know from the strict corporate world in their little private ponds of chaos.
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Old 21. May 2018, 06:30 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Unfortunately, when you fight against human nature it's a losing battle.

Here in Brazil everyone complains about the corruption, lack of medical care, high transportation costs etc yet come election time they vote the same bunch of criminals right back in or another bunch just like them.

It's the same with operating systems. Everyone complains about Windows but they carry on using it. Linux doesn't help of course with its here today gone tomorrow attitude by many of the new releases while long term efforts that do deserve recognition languish down the pile for lack of marketing ability or finance.
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Old 21. May 2018, 07:13 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I just find it totally amazing how folks are so easily conditioned by promotional marketing. Just like they rush out in droves to buy the latest Whizzo soap powder because it gets those nasty stains “right out”, so they gobble up a bug ridden flat and boring Windows 10 because hey it’s “better” than the previous version.

KDE Linux went down the same road with Plasma 5 and some folks do actually believe this equally boring stack of garbage is also “better”. Why we got this with both Windows and Linux is not because of some epic shift towards flat-packed mediocracy but because coding stuff like this is a hundred times EASIER than giving consumers stuff that works with pretty theme choices.

I’m not even talking about Gnome3 and Unity although thankfully the latter has now been oblivionized.

Why also do we have to endure a proliferation of “lightweight” DE’s to cater for a minority of cheapskates who won’t buy decent hardware? Xfce is plenty fast enough, aka Linux Lite and MX-17 and there is absolutely no need to spend a week’s holiday configuring Arch Labs with Openbox unless you have a serious mental issue. Same applies to LX this that and the other plus something named after the developers pet canary. Listen guys, we DON’T NEED IT! It’s all too CONFUSING for the very people you are all expecting to draw away from Windows. Probably the worst of this pretentious bunch is the so called “Enlightenment”. Install this and two hours of configuring later you end up with something that looks like a kids hand-held tablet from Toys”R”Us.

There’s maybe a space for Deepin because it’s truly innovative and cute to look at but again we’ve gone through a millennium almost with no dark theme that works with the file manager and a choice of two crosses for the window borders.

I’d also keep Trinity, aka Q4OS because it delivers a previous era of KDE with blinding speed and good stability.

Can we also please kill the “rolling” releases with their in-built ability to devour your operating system with a single bite of updates. No one keeps anything for longer than three years these days, so the abundance of LTS releases is more than enough and a hundred times safer in terms of reliability.
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Old 21. May 2018, 07:54 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Here in Brazil everyone complains about the corruption, lack of medical care, high transportation costs etc yet come election time they vote the same bunch of criminals right back in or another bunch just like them.
It's the same in South Africa.
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Old 22. May 2018, 06:04 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I just find it totally amazing how folks are so easily conditioned by promotional marketing. Just like they rush out in droves to buy the latest Whizzo soap powder because it gets those nasty stains “right out”, so they gobble up a bug ridden flat and boring Windows 10 because hey it’s “better” than the previous version.
Actually, Windows 10's initial adoption rates were worse than those of Windows 7 back in the day, even though it's a free upgrade, while Windows 7 was a paid upgrade. Nowadays, Windows 10's market share is still only around that of Windows 7.
I hate to say it, but you can't put all the blame on the people blindly following the marketing. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Windows is a good deal simpler than Linux, and it works with just about everything. Now I know that may seem to be an over-simplification, but there's plenty of truth in it. I've tried using Linux, and I've considered it again many times after that, and it just doesn't cut it for me, as well as many others.
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Windows is a good deal simpler than Linux, and it works with just about everything. Now I know that may seem to be an over-simplification, but there's plenty of truth in it. I've tried using Linux, and I've considered it again many times after that, and it just doesn't cut it for me, as well as many others.
This is the bit I still don't understand. Some of the leaner distros do require additional software but you can batch download and install as many as you select all at once using Synaptic or equivalent. Distros such as Mint however come with everything the average person needs already installed and ready to go, and for common items such as browser, mail client, video and office suite they are the exact equivalent of what they were likely using with Windows. The big bonus there is no firewall or antivirus to configure apart from maybe switching UFW on if it doesn't come in that state already.

The only real crossover issues arise with stuff like games (although getting better all the time), smartphone integration and specific commercial apps such as CAD software.

The real complications are mostly self inflicted when folks try to use Wine to run Windows apps. The success rate with this is minimal at best and IMO totally unnecessary. I would in fact assign Wine to the same dung pile as Gnome3.

Over the past two years almost I have run my business, dealt with all my personal stuff including online shopping and banking plus helping out here on the site and never once have I needed to use Windows. The only thing I use it for generally is burning test Linux distros to USB using Rufus which I find more effective than UNetbootin.
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Old 22. May 2018, 08:24 PM   #7 (permalink)
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You have to choose a distro - that's the first problem. You and many other avid Linux users may look at the list of distros and go "wow, I have that many options to choose from?", but the average user will go "OK, what even is a distro? [...] OK, so which one do I choose? [...] OK, this article narrows it down to 10 and has recommendations... but 5 other articles recommend 15 other distros. So, darn it, which one do I choose?" Even I stood in front of that problem and was pretty confused, even though I consider myself an advanced user. And because I use my computer so often and for so many different things (my work here at Gizmo's included ), I can't just quickly switch over and try out a distro. I don't work like that, restarting when it's not necessary is a waste of time for me.
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The real complications are mostly self inflicted when folks try to use Wine to run Windows apps. The success rate with this is minimal at best and IMO totally unnecessary. I would in fact assign Wine to the same dung pile as Gnome3.
That's my next problem. There are certain Windows programs I just can't go without. Some of the most relevant ones that pop into my mind: ElsterFormular, WMP + WMC (I know there's VLC and Kodi, but it just doesn't quite cut it in certain areas), my setup for controling ppt presentations from my phone while also having my notes on my phone, MS Office (I tried OpenOffice back in the days - again, it just didn't cut it for me), and a whole host of other non-freeware as well as legacy software where you can entirely forget about finding a Linux version. So that means I would have to rely heavily on Wine. And quite honestly, not having to mess with all that is worth the 2 minutes it took to install and configure the Antivirus and firewall that one time way-back-when - and again, that assuming I could get it all to work.
And when you turn to the business side of things, well, looking at the Deutsche Bahn, who I work for, and the loads and loads and loads of specialty software they have to use, they'd probably have you undergo a psychiatric assessment if you sincerely suggested they use Linux and not use whatever the business-oriented version of Wine is called.
I mean, if people can get Linux to work for them, so much the better, but it's definitely not something that can work for everyone.
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Old 23. May 2018, 09:44 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Globally, Linux (in a broad sense) shines on smartphones, tablets and servers, whereas Windows shines on desktops and laptops.



Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_...rating_systems
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Old 23. May 2018, 06:06 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Xfce is plenty fast enough, aka Linux Lite and MX-17 and there is absolutely no need to spend a week’s holiday configuring Arch Labs with Openbox unless you have a serious mental issue
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Listen guys, we DON’T NEED IT! It’s all too CONFUSING for the very people you are all expecting to draw away from Windows. Probably the worst of this pretentious bunch is the so called “Enlightenment”. Install this and two hours of configuring later you end up with something that looks like a kids hand-held tablet from Toys”R”Us.
Thank you, sir, for putting a smile on my face, which is saying something when it comes to discussing Linux.
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Old 24. May 2018, 01:40 AM   #10 (permalink)
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MC must be a sales rep.!

That's why i keep trying all those Linux distros he knows how to decorate so well.
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