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Old 11. May 2016, 09:37 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Maybe Ubuntu made this 1604 not for every machine out there but just for a few machines,otherwise it would work right from the box for everybody,I think Ubuntu it's not what use to be
This is a good point and one that also has no reason to it. In fact I challenge even the most technically capable to explain why distros work to such varying degrees of success or failure depending on the system architecture.

For instance, I have a cheap off the shelf mini-desktop containing an Intel Celeron and Asus motherboard/CPU combination setup that was originally designed for fan-less operation. I installed the new Voyager 16 into this complete with Compiz/Emerald and it works like a charm. I also installed Voyager 16 into a high-end i5 Toshiba desktop but Compiz/Emerald seg faults so only the default window manager/decoration is usable.
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This is a good point and one that also has no reason to it. In fact I challenge even the most technically capable to explain why distros work to such varying degrees of success or failure depending on the system architecture.
The technical issues related to different system architectures are very relevant but a large chunk of the issues relate to human behavior:
  • What is the focus? The developers can't focus on everything so what are they ignoring?
  • What does nobody want to do? A common problem, particularly on volunteer-assisted open source projects, is that everyone only wants to develop new code. This means there are likely to be significant failings in testing, fixing problems, documentation, etc.
  • What is tested? If it is not tested then there is no assurance that it will work.
  • Who is working on the changes and which architectural elements are they more familiar with? People tend to make assumptions based on what they are used to.
  • What is changed? Changes to improve the focus on particular technical elements produce consequences for other technical elements. Some consequences are known but often it is the unintended consequences which become more significant.
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The technical issues related to different system architectures are very relevant but a large chunk of the issues relate to human behavior:
  • What is the focus? The developers can't focus on everything so what are they ignoring?
  • What does nobody want to do? A common problem, particularly on volunteer-assisted open source projects, is that everyone only wants to develop new code. This means there are likely to be significant failings in testing, fixing problems, documentation, etc.
  • What is tested? If it is not tested then there is no assurance that it will work.
  • Who is working on the changes and which architectural elements are they more familiar with? People tend to make assumptions based on what they are used to.
  • What is changed? Changes to improve the focus on particular technical elements produce consequences for other technical elements. Some consequences are known but often it is the unintended consequences which become more significant.
I'm sure that personality management swallows up a lot of project time that could otherwise be better spent. There is nothing more disruptive than when folks go off on one and start throwing their toys out.
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Good for you ,you must be 1 in a million.
Maybe Ubuntu made this 1604 not for every machine out there but just for a few machines,otherwise it would work right from the box for everybody,I think Ubuntu it's not what use to be
Actually, have always wondered why so many distros don't go well with my laptop whereas everybody else seems to be just happy with theirs...

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I'm sure some 10 year old hacker will come around some day to give "us" lesson and tweak a Linux distro out of this world.
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Actually, have always wondered why so many distros don't go well with my laptop whereas everybody else seems to be just happy with theirs...
Nothing has changed in a few decades. There's usually only one or two reliable and well-supported product ranges for any hardware sub-system. Wifi adapters used to only have one, for example. So is there anything unusual about any of these components
  • CPU
  • Chipset
  • Motherboard
  • Graphics card, if not integrated
  • Network card, if not integrated
I avoid some brands because they are more likely to use problematic or poorly supported hardware.

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Well done, that 10 year old, for making so much money for so little effort. What he did was very simple and the original developers really should have tested for it. The high bounty was because it could affect all Instagram users.

It is a magnitude more difficult to sort out a Linux distro.
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Nothing has changed in a few decades. There's usually only one or two reliable and well-supported product ranges for any hardware sub-system. Wifi adapters used to only have one, for example. So is there anything unusual about any of these components
  • CPU
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  • Motherboard
  • Graphics card, if not integrated
  • Network card, if not integrated
I avoid some brands because they are more likely to use problematic or poorly supported hardware.

This is what surprised me about my latest acquisition which is a mini-desktop built around this.

http://techreport.com/news/26108/tin...astic-heatsink

The only hard spec difference is they added a case fan.

Wireless has to be via a D-Link USB adapter and yet everything works fine, including Compiz/Emerald.

There is no Windows 7 support with this board, only Win8 and 8.1 which is why they didn't sell here and I guess why 3Green bought a batch to make Ubuntu installed mini-desktops with.
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Also includes an RS-232-C connection based on a 1969 standard from the era of the first microprocessors. Amazing.
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Oh, btw, did forget to mention that it boots up faster than Windows 10 and shuts down in the blink of an eye.

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Running on SSD.
I also tried ChaletOS 16.04 32 bit in a Desktop where i also run Xubuntu 14.04 which runs great and it was a complete fail-or,good for me i install on an extra HDD,so Xubuntu 14.04 went right back.
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Don't see too many Youtube reviews on Linux distros with as much enthusiasm as this fellow (Ghost Sixtyseven) has shown (especially for a Ubuntu based one which has not gotten too many positive notes with 16.04):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5acFhslUn94
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Bit late to the party on this one but ongoing issues with my eyes mean I can no longer spend a lot of time staring at a PC monitor so looking at new distros has to take a back seat to more important items. Anyway, great job with the latest Chalet OS. Here's a screenshot of my own setup.
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