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Old 04. Jun 2014, 06:53 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Will boot to a live desktop for me but then blows out as soon as I try to launch something.

There is stacks of stuff about booting and installing re: AMD and NVIDIA drivers in their forum but (selfishly?) I can't be bothered with any of it. Distros such as Trisquel, SuperX, Centrych, Point and Manjaro all work on all three of my systems so not having Mint is hardly an issue.
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Will boot to a live desktop for me but then blows out as soon as I try to launch something.

There is stacks of stuff about booting and installing re: AMD and NVIDIA drivers in their forum but (selfishly?) I can't be bothered with any of it. Distros such as Trisquel, SuperX, Centrych, Point and Manjaro all work on all three of my systems so not having Mint is hardly an issue.
Yup, don't care if its a Mint distro, if it don't work right give feedback then back to what works for you.
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Yup, don't care if its a Mint distro, if it don't work right give feedback then back to what works for you.
This is a good policy. Last weekend I agreed to dual boot a Win7 box with Manjaro Cinnamon because the owner was willing to pay! The live system crashed with the usual NVIDIA issues but he insisted this was the only distro he wanted.

After installing we noted the NVIDIA drivers in the update pack so thought everything would be OK, it having recognized what was needed. Nearly 700mb of updates later during which time I had to listen to endless garbage about how smart his sons are (but obviously not smart enough to install Manjaro for him ) we rebooted the machine which immediately went into fallback mode. Thereafter it wouldn't boot at all past a graphical login.

Using my machine to troll the forums (and endure more family history) we dismissed Bumblebee as an option and discovered that a combination of an AMD CPU and NVIDIA was about as bad as you could get, for Manjaro at any rate.

By now I'm desperate to get rid of this guy but having watched over my shoulder he then announces he likes Trisquel better which didn't explain his almost orgasmic state over Manjaro, but by now I didn't care.

Half an hour later he was dual booted with Trisquel and as happy as the pig that he is in the proverbial where he should have been and hopefully will go to next time he wants something doing.

I get less tolerant as I get older.
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This is a good policy. Last weekend I agreed to dual boot a Win7 box with Manjaro Cinnamon because the owner was willing to pay! The live system crashed with the usual NVIDIA issues but he insisted this was the only distro he wanted.

After installing we noted the NVIDIA drivers in the update pack so thought everything would be OK, it having recognized what was needed. Nearly 700mb of updates later during which time I had to listen to endless garbage about how smart his sons are (but obviously not smart enough to install Manjaro for him ) we rebooted the machine which immediately went into fallback mode. Thereafter it wouldn't boot at all past a graphical login.

Using my machine to troll the forums (and endure more family history) we dismissed Bumblebee as an option and discovered that a combination of an AMD CPU and NVIDIA was about as bad as you could get, for Manjaro at any rate.

By now I'm desperate to get rid of this guy but having watched over my shoulder he then announces he likes Trisquel better which didn't explain his almost orgasmic state over Manjaro, but by now I didn't care.

Half an hour later he was dual booted with Trisquel and as happy as the pig that he is in the proverbial where he should have been and hopefully will go to next time he wants something doing.

I get less tolerant as I get older.
Man you couldn't be more right with your statement, about some people that don't know a thing about OPS vs Hardware+software and you gave a good lesson to those that think they do, myself i've been trying for years Linux/win in my pcs all kind of Software and most times i don't try to even understand why some software don't work,special on old hardware,and when one distro don't work i don't force it or spend hours trying to figure it out just try another till it works, i take longer to figure out why it doesn't work than to install other OPS, with so many linux distros available for all kinds of hardware old/new and all for free,in the end some people seem to be obsessed with this or that distro,just don't force it, just go with what works... my 2cents.
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just go with what works...
Absolutely. The problem I see though is that more and more distros are becoming less and less compatible with NVIDIA especially. I have one desktop box that is two years old, so not ancient, that has NVIDIA GeForce 7025. Some distros will boot into a live session and let you do a few things before crashing, others don't even get that far. Even installing and trying to add the correct drivers doesn't guarantee success. Yet on my five year old ATi box, they all work perfectly without any need for adjustment.

Another example, Ka OS, boots into nothing using the free drivers but will give me a desktop with half the panel missing using the non-free NVIDIA option. Changing the resolution from 1366 x 768 to 1360 x 720 makes the layout normal but anything textual hard on your eyes. Would installing this and then updating the NVIDIA drivers cure it? My guess is that being based on the same system (Arch) the result will be identical to that experienced with Manjaro.

Zorin is another good example, and this time of a very popular distro. At least this time they do try with a tutorial for NVIDIA but it is included in a post-install script that must take best part of an hour to read and digest.

This is what kills a lot of interest in Linux from current Windows users at the outset which is a shame because many either do not appreciate the huge choice of other distros available or are not prepared or able to afford the time to check them out.
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Am having GeForce GTX 780 with Intel HD 4000 built-in, but I'm not having any problems on Mint 17. :|

Although I don't do gaming on Linux, only on Windows. Moreover am staying away from Linux for some-time, else I won't have time for software testing. It's been 6 months since my last major update on any article.
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Am having GeForce GTX 780 with Intel HD 4000 built-in, but I'm not having any problems on Mint 17. :|
It appears that one of the i-series (i3, i5 or i7) with integrated intel graphics is the most likely to work out of the box with a greater variety of distros.
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It appears that one of the i-series (i3, i5 or i7) with integrated intel graphics is the most likely to work out of the box with a greater variety of distros.
Could be....I'm running Win 8.1 on Intel Core i7
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