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Old 22. Oct 2013, 12:49 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Wrong, "the GNU operating system" is any kernel plus the GNU userland. Work on GNU started in 1984, long before Linus Torvalds ever had access to an UNIX machine of any kind. (GNU/Hurd is "the GNU OS", technically spoken.)

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Whereas BSD has its own kernel and is an operating system.
1. There are BSDs with the GNU userland, like Debian GNU/kFreeBSD.
2. There is at least one Linux with the BSD userland (MirOS).
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Old 22. Oct 2013, 01:34 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Wrong, "the GNU operating system" is any kernel plus the GNU userland. Work on GNU started in 1984, long before Linus Torvalds ever had access to an UNIX machine of any kind. (GNU/Hurd is "the GNU OS", technically spoken.)

1. There are BSDs with the GNU userland, like Debian GNU/kFreeBSD.
2. There is at least one Linux with the BSD userland (MirOS).
Your replies missed the point:
  • In the context of discussing Linux, it is called "GNU/Linux" not "GNU/some other kernel".
  • "BSD" is an OS with its own kernel and without reference to any other kernel: calling it "BSD/BSD" would be redundant.
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In the context of discussing Linux, it is called "GNU/Linux" not "GNU/some other kernel".
This implies that "Linux" is the same as "GNU/Linux" which is wrong as I pointed out above.

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"BSD" is an OS with its own kernel
To be adequately precise, "FreeBSD", for example, is a distribution of the FreeBSD kernel with the FreeBSD userland, as "Windows" is a distribution of the Windows (micro-)kernel with the Windows userland. The difference might be obvious though: When you download "the Linux sources", you'll get the kernel, when you download "the FreeBSD sources", you'll get a complete, working operating system.
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Old 22. Oct 2013, 02:35 AM   #44 (permalink)
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Seems Wikipedia got it wrong too.

"Linux was originally developed as a free operating system".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
Unless you specifically call it a Linux kernel or it means so in the context, it's commonly accepted to call "Linux" an operating system, even though a more proper term "GNU/Linux" has been promoted.

See also: GNU/Linux naming controversy
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Wrong, "the GNU operating system" is any kernel plus the GNU userland. Work on GNU started in 1984, long before Linus Torvalds ever had access to an UNIX machine of any kind. (GNU/Hurd is "the GNU OS", technically spoken.)

1. There are BSDs with the GNU userland, like Debian GNU/kFreeBSD.
2. There is at least one Linux with the BSD userland (MirOS).
I could join you down the rabbit hole quibbling about technical definition. But this is getting too far from the context which was Linux.

I'd rather have your response to the substantive issue in my post which was about your criticism of Dedoimedo and his article on Linux.
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Unless you specifically call it a Linux kernel or it means so in the context, it's commonly accepted to call "Linux" an operating system, even though a more proper term "GNU/Linux" has been promoted.

See also: GNU/Linux naming controversy
This is how I had always understood it.
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"The Linux operating system" means "Linux plus any userland" which is not the same as "GNU/Linux", again...

Which issue, Remah?
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