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Old 19. Oct 2013, 08:00 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Since your experience and Secunia can't even prove any backdoors on open-source Linux
Of course they can...? (What exactly is "closed source Linux"?)

Linux's backdoors won't disappear just because you stick to your lie that they don't exist. (On a completely unrelated side note, I - as a user - wouldn't care if it was a backdoor which let the rootkit break in or anything else.)

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try Google or all the Windows exploits on Secunia.
Oh, that's easy, as there are none (TBH, at least there are less than Linux backdoors...). Point proven, I guess.
Maybe you should try Google yourself before suggesting me to do that. Just to make sure you aren't so wrong.

edit: By the way, no comment about you being wrong about your NSA assumptions? Too bad!
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Old 20. Oct 2013, 12:05 AM   #22 (permalink)
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So the fact that even Linux servers (which should have a more "secure" setup than desktops) can easily be infected does not make you think that desktops are insecure?

Why should it? That's like saying because lorries are slow going uphill, cars must be too.

No one is saying that Linux cannot be compromised, especially if someone with malintent is allowed physical access to a machine, but as in my previous post the type of malware infecting Windows PC's that puts Windows users at most risk is simply not relevant to Linux desktops. This is emphasized by some of the most respected names on the internet.

"I said this nearly three years ago, and it remains true: The simplest, most cost-effective answer I know of? Donít use Microsoft Windows when accessing your bank account online. All of the malware used in the attacks Iíve written about is built for Windows".

http://krebsonsecurity.com/2012/07/b...-on-a-live-cd/
http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/ho...ive-cds-896986
http://www.pcworld.com/article/21948...ux_livecd.html
http://lifehacker.com/5381466/use-a-...online-banking
http://www.howtogeek.com/139926/secu...nux-usb-drive/
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Old 20. Oct 2013, 12:11 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Repeating a lie does not make it the truth. In fact, Windows trojans mostly (platform-independence is a recent feature though) don't affect Linux users - Linux trojans do.

Just because someone has a "respected name" doesn't make him inerrant. So, while we're on "online banking with Linux": http://www.zdnet.com/linux-desktop-t...in-7000019175/

Yes, a live CD (or a virtual machine) is recommended, but no, a Linux live CD (or VM) does not make you any more secure than Windows PE (or Windows in a VM).
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Old 20. Oct 2013, 03:53 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Of course they can...? (What exactly is "closed source Linux"?)

Linux's backdoors won't disappear just because you stick to your lie that they don't exist. (On a completely unrelated side note, I - as a user - wouldn't care if it was a backdoor which let the rootkit break in or anything else.)



Oh, that's easy, as there are none (TBH, at least there are less than Linux backdoors...). Point proven, I guess.
Maybe you should try Google yourself before suggesting me to do that. Just to make sure you aren't so wrong.

edit: By the way, no comment about you being wrong about your NSA assumptions? Too bad!
Closed-source Windows. Our communication is buggy as usual.

Really, when you haven't proven their existence I'm supposed to be the liar?

Just giving the same kind of suggestion back at you, since we're both too lazy to dig deeper for the direct sources.

edit: How am I wrong when my claims are more plausible than yours? You even admitted the NSA key's existence, and ignored my other evidence like TPM backdoor.
On the other hand, all you provided is Linux exploits on Secunia. There should be way more evidence since Linux is open-source, yet that's all you have other than saying I'm wrong due to my lack of concrete evidence on closed-source code and government secrets.
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Really, when you haven't proven their existence I'm supposed to be the liar?
Their existence is proven in the Snowden materials, also in my links in this thread. Yep: Liar!

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You even admitted the NSA key's existence
... in 1999, which was even before Windows 2000 ...

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and ignored my other evidence like TPM backdoor.
... which was no evidence. Or haven't I just understood it?

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all you provided is Linux exploits on Secunia
Please read the thread more carefully (including my latest postings).
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Old 20. Oct 2013, 05:50 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Links directed to MC about malware, which is far from backdoors. Then you refer Snowden materials, which you selectively ignore as well. Actually, where is the proof, some vague reference once again?

Forget Windows NT version naming altogether, because their clearly not related even with the same authors.

You should really participate more here, I'd love to see how far your opinions will go: http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=352287

Since you can see what I missed, why not just cite it? Once again, what you present is simply opinion (far from truth or lies), and a rather arrogant one at that.
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Just because someone has a "respected name" doesn't make him inerrant. So, while we're on "online banking with Linux": http://www.zdnet.com/linux-desktop-t...in-7000019175/

Yes, a live CD (or a virtual machine) is recommended, but no, a Linux live CD (or VM) does not make you any more secure than Windows PE (or Windows in a VM).
"Fortunately, as Limor Kessem, one of RSA's top cyber Intelligence experts, wrote after a conversation with the Trojan's "sales agent," Hand of Thief has no good ways of infecting Linux users. Instead, the cracker "suggested using email and social engineering as the infection vector."

So, in other words this Linux Trojan (which of course the author is attempting to sell) doesn't even come with complete code. Instead, they offer a couple of suggestions about how you might be able to make it work after you bought it LOL. If something like this was ever successful just once, it would be all over the internet.
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Their existence is proven in the Snowden materials, also in my links in this thread. Yep: Liar!
Please appreciate that we expect the same standard of behavior from everyone using this board, and expect them to read the rules before posting. You can disagree with any of the content posted, but we do not tolerate name calling or other forms of personal attack.
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Links directed to MC about malware, which is far from backdoors.
You implied Linux was "safe from being infected/attacked", be it by malware, be it by backdoors. Now what?

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Actually, where is the proof, some vague reference once again?
http://www.wired.com/politics/securi...tymatters_1115 (please notice the year this was published in).

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You should really participate more here, I'd love to see how far your opinions will go: http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=352287
Wilders Security, where people discuss whether Avast or AVG was the better snake oil. Really?

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You can disagree with any of the content posted, but we do not tolerate name calling or other forms of personal attack.
So what would you call someone who repeatedly lies?
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So what would you call someone who repeatedly lies?
Consider my post as a friendly reminder, but I wouldn't push towards the inevitable unless that is really what you want to happen.
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