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Old 25. Jul 2013, 12:52 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I'm free from the constant maintenance I used to have to do (or perhaps convinced myself I had to do) to keep Windoze safe and up to date.
This is a very good point. Maintaining Windows and Windows programs is a time consuming annoyance compared with Linux. With Linux I hardly ever need to "reboot to complete" nor do I need to "visit the website" first and then go through all the motions from there. Nor am I bombarded with invitations to "upgrade". Everything just happens silently in the background.
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Old 25. Jul 2013, 02:20 AM   #12 (permalink)
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This is a very good point. Maintaining Windows and Windows programs is a time consuming annoyance compared with Linux. With Linux I hardly ever need to "reboot to complete" nor do I need to "visit the website" first and then go through all the motions from there. Nor am I bombarded with invitations to "upgrade". Everything just happens silently in the background.
Agree, it is a very good point, although I have no problem manually approving Windows updates. But the application updates are getting more time consuming and annoying.
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Old 25. Jul 2013, 04:57 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Linux repositories sure are convenient, but they don't include everything. Once you have to deal with different binary formats, dependencies, and the source code, then it's likely more annoying than Windows software.

Anyways, have you checked out this: http://www.techsupportalert.com/best...te-monitor.htm
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Linux repositories sure are convenient, but they don't include everything. Once you have to deal with different binary formats, dependencies, and the source code, then it's likely more annoying than Windows software.

Anyways, have you checked out this: http://www.techsupportalert.com/best...te-monitor.htm
I know it's easy to generalize but IMO most average Linux users would not need to (and should not) stray from what is contained in their software center, although some distros make this process easier and have a greater choice than others. Of those that do have this need, then again my assumption is they will have little difficulty completing what is required as their general knowledge of Linux will be more advanced.

I do have PSI installed but often this is not automatic in that I have to "download the solution" first and then manually install it.

This is also an area where Windows images fail. Even if the one you have is only a month old, the chances are that several applications will need updating after you have restored from that image. There is also the need to keep updating your .exe store if you keep one (which many of us do). With Linux though I find it so quick just to re-install from scratch if need be which gives you the latest kit anyway after a single update.
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This is also an area where Windows images fail. Even if the one you have is only a month old, the chances are that several applications will need updating after you have restored from that image. There is also the need to keep updating your .exe store if you keep one (which many of us do). With Linux though I find it so quick just to re-install from scratch if need be which gives you the latest kit anyway after a single update.
In the last couple of years, I can't remember having to reinstall Windows or restore disk images even thought I've been installing and uninstalling hundreds of applications and testing system tools like registry editors. Windows 7 and 8 have been far more robust for me than older versions including XP. I have done reinstalls and restores on my test systems but that was, as far as I can remember, purely for testing purposes.
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I know it's easy to generalize but IMO most average Linux users would not need to (and should not) stray from what is contained in their software center, although some distros make this process easier and have a greater choice than others. Of those that do have this need, then again my assumption is they will have little difficulty completing what is required as their general knowledge of Linux will be more advanced.

I do have PSI installed but often this is not automatic in that I have to "download the solution" first and then manually install it.

This is also an area where Windows images fail. Even if the one you have is only a month old, the chances are that several applications will need updating after you have restored from that image. There is also the need to keep updating your .exe store if you keep one (which many of us do). With Linux though I find it so quick just to re-install from scratch if need be which gives you the latest kit anyway after a single update.
There are inexperienced people who want or need games/software that's in an inconvenient format, or even WINE. Regardless of difficulty, I clearly stated nuisance outside of repositories.

I actually do it in a more manual way, because PSI doesn't support all my software. Even as a part-time user, I require a few software outside of repositories in Linux Mint.

Really, a clean install of Linux is more convenient than an image of Windows? Did you save some batch scripts or something, cause configuring takes up a lot of time on either system for me.
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Really, a clean install of Linux is more convenient than an image of Windows? Did you save some batch scripts or something, cause configuring takes up a lot of time on either system for me.
I regard myself as a typical average Linux user and nothing more. When I re-install, or swap systems, this is my checklist:
  • System update
  • Copy working files and what other directories I need across from my external drive.
  • Sound - terminal config for Alsamixer to set my sound card and enable loopback.
  • Firewall - usually comes with UFW which I remove and install Firestarter instead (less than 10 clicks in total even with the setup)
  • Browser - Chrome sorts itself with all my settings and extensions. Just need to configure Ghostery settings plus whitelist Gizmo's sites.
  • Email - takes me 10 minutes to setup my 4 accounts and import the mail.
  • Superkaramba - is usually included so just a matter of importing my two saved custom themes
  • Sensors - mostly LMSensors is included so 30 seconds in the terminal sorts this.
  • Themes - panel, window borders and icons all available with just a few clicks from system settings.

Otherwise I will just add Clementine if it is not included and substitute Deluge for whatever else torrent client comes as standard.


Excluding the system update time which is variable anyway, takes me around an hour.
True I am not into gaming .
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One of the reasons I held off on making the leap to Win7 from XP was the dread of reinstalling all of the apps. Turns out I ended up reinstalling about 10% of them. It seems I had allot of old junk that I rarely used which the same thought process that leads to my garage being so full of junk. I have a hard time getting rid of stuff which in reality was just plain junk and a ton of GAOTD garbage. I had myself in good shape in a couple of days maybe 4 hours all together.

Linux is and will continue to be a breath of fresh air to me. I love its elegance and its freedom of paranoia that someone is hacking their way into my system. For the most part I don't need to boot into windows but with Win7 its a little easier now.
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I've looked at Linux so many times but never really been motivated to give it a proper test drive. I suppose the fact that I do quite a lot of gaming on my PC is a major factor in that.

I've been curious to check it out properly but I've not had much joy with the live distros that supposedly run directly from flash drive ... most of them on booting give me some error message or other that I'm at a loss to know where to start with. And I guess this is another factor - after 15 years of being on Windows I'm finally at a stage where I feel reasonably confident about being able to fix most of what might go wrong with it.

The updates issue I can't say is a problem for me. I have auto-update disabled and run it manually every few days, it doesn't take long to run and then a couple of minutes to reboot. Third party software doesn't take much trouble either and the "reboot to complete" is a far less common thing these days. In fact the only program I use regularly that requires a reboot is WinPCap, and it's very rare that it has an update. The last one was February I think.

The vast majority of programs that I use are non-install versions. My "always install" list is less than a dozen programs including system stuff like flash and dotnet and DirectX 9, then I have about the same number of portables that I run all the time from auto-start. The rest are just occasionally used and I'm not fussed if they're always the latest version. Installing a fresh version of W7 doesn't take long as I keep a Paragon image that includes recent updates.

Like other posters here I did resist the move to W7 from XP for a while, but it took me maybe a day to realise that W7 is genuinely a huge improvement, so much more stable and efficient than XP.

At some point, I daresay I'll get around to giving Linux a proper test drive but solely because it's there. I don't feel any urgent need for it. I'm a little wary when people say that it's safer from viruses and hacking ... as far as I know there's nothing about Linux (or Macs) that is inherently more secure. The point as I understand it is that the much smaller user base has so far just been less of a tempting target for attackers.
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I don't feel any urgent need for it. I'm a little wary when people say that it's safer from viruses and hacking ... as far as I know there's nothing about Linux (or Macs) that is inherently more secure. The point as I understand it is that the much smaller user base has so far just been less of a tempting target for attackers.
Whatever the reasons might be, Linux is virus free to the extent that the few exploits that do exist can only affect your Linux system if users log on as root and/or install unregulated software from outside the repositories. Neither of these actions is needed to enjoy Linux to it's full potential so the only use programs such as Comodo antivirus for Linux have is to prevent Linux users from passing on Windows exploits to other Windows users.

Linux live sessions are now much more successful from a flash drive than they were a year ago, provided the drive has been formatted first. Even so, some distros do remain a bit querky with this method so a DVD-RW burned at the slowest possible speed is often a better option.
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