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MidnightCowboy 31. Mar 2013 12:00 PM

Zeven Steps to Heaven?
 
Apart from the testing versions, Debian Linux is known for its stability and strict adherence to the use of free software. It also has a reputation for not being so user friendly as say Ubuntu based distros. Some other distributions use Debian as a base, Solus being one notable example and of course there is always LMDE.

This is how Mint describes the differences between LMDE and their mainstream release.

Pros:
  • You don’t need to ever re-install the system. New versions of software and updates are continuously brought to you.
  • It’s faster and more responsive than Ubuntu-based editions.
Cons:
  • LMDE requires a deeper knowledge and experience with Linux, dpkg and APT.
  • Debian is a less user-friendly/desktop-ready base than Ubuntu. Expect some rough edges.
  • No EFI, GPT or secureBoot support.

Another that has been around for a while is a German disto called Zeven OS Neptune. A new version has just been released that seeks to make Debian more user friendly, so Neptune 3.0 includes flash, codecs and a raft of other stuff all pre-installed to make life easy from the outset. The Neptune ISO can either be burned to a DVD or USB. This creates a live version you can try out on your existing system before deciding whether or not to make a full install either in place of Windows/your existing Linux or as a dual boot alongside it.

I dual booted Zeven Neptune alongside Windows 7, replacing my existing Linux in the process. Everything went smoothly and I really like how Zeven implements the KDE desktop. Chromium is the default browser but if like me you prefer Chrome this installs automatically from the downloaded package. Everything worked out of the box except when I installed Clementine it would not play radio streams until I installed some more Gstreamer stuff, but the Muon Package Manager handled all this and I was soon up and running. There is also a Muon Software Center for even easier program management.

The focus of the distro is in German although there is of course an English language install option and also an English forum where support is timely and constructive.

So, if you want to try a distro that is fast, looks gorgeous and works without falling over every five minutes, give Zeven OS Neptune 3.0 a try.

wdhpr 31. Mar 2013 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MC
So, if you want to try a distro that is fast, looks gorgeous and works without falling over every five minutes, give Zeven OS Neptune 3.0 a try.

Good looking desktop
Nothing surprises me when it comes to the ingenuity of the German people. For me, I prefer Gnome and if Mate and Cinnamon remain viable as Ubuntu's Unity and Gnome 3 scamper to find their identity (just my opinion) I will enjoy my Minty operating system for years to come. Further more Debian is the foundation from which many successful distros have been built upon and KDE seems right at home with Debian. With that in mind KDE will always remain as a option and that's not to say its second best, just that I've become comfortable with Gnome.

MidnightCowboy 30. Apr 2013 07:22 AM

Nice review of Neptune here:

"ZevenOS has come up with a KDE distro which is perfect blend of aesthetics and performance. The interface looks professional and attractive, application interfaces blend well with the default theme. Every bit of the distro shows the hard work and attention to details put by the developers. Everything works out of the box and I found it to be really stable (remember, it is Debian!)".

http://mylinuxexplore.blogspot.com.b...asten-kde.html

MidnightCowboy 24. Mar 2015 02:58 PM

Zeven OS Neptune has just been updated to 4.3 and this release is very refined and easy on the eye.

Screenshot

If anyone is looking for a distro that has been around for some time and is built to be rock solid, then IMO Neptune and Trisquel would be the ones to try, depending on your DE preference.

Remah 24. Mar 2015 07:41 PM

MC, great copy writing - the title of this thread always draws me in. :)

MidnightCowboy 24. Mar 2015 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Remah (Post 109298)
MC, great copy writing - the title of this thread always draws me in. :)

Good that I'm useful for something. :D

If only my technical abilities were in the same league as yours I would be more worthy of the space I take up on the planet.

Remah 25. Mar 2015 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MidnightCowboy (Post 109309)
Good that I'm useful for something. :D

If only my technical abilities were in the same league as yours I would be more worthy of the space I take up on the planet.

I certainly listen to what you say about Linux distros because you take the time to work on them. I hardly ever get the time to try any of them but I read your evaluations with interest. This time, your comments about the stability and beauty of Zeven have got me interested enough to to try it.

MidnightCowboy 25. Mar 2015 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Remah (Post 109317)
This time, your comments about the stability and beauty of Zeven have got me interested enough to to try it.

Great. Let us know what you think to it.

The default look was tweaked somewhat to appear as in the screenshot I posted, but this type of customization is quickly and easily achieved for anyone wanting to create a more individual desktop.

Remah 27. Mar 2015 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MidnightCowboy (Post 109320)
Great. Let us know what you think to it.

The default look was tweaked somewhat to appear as in the screenshot I posted, but this type of customization is quickly and easily achieved for anyone wanting to create a more individual desktop.

I've installed Neptune and ChaletOS to multiboot and both were mixed bags, disappointing considering I expected a bigger improvement in ease of installation after a couple of years without installing Linix. And it's probably three or four years since I last installed Ubuntu.

They certainly run much better than they install and I've had no problems with any of the applications I've tried. :) But most of the people I help would not get through a multiboot install even if they can cope with a Windows install. :(

i was planning to do a clean install of each as well but it is hardly worth it when the main install issues are common to the underlying distros and existed last time I looked. It will be interesting to go back to FreeBSD and maybe one of its derivatives to see how much has changed there in the same period.

Live disk
Load times were about the same for both and both images were about the same size: Neptune .ISO was 1.3GB; ChaletOS .ISO was 1.4GB. Neither was an issue for me but many users will balk at downloading more than 1GB and they probably won't use much of the software.

Install
For Windows users I prefer the Neptune installation process over ChaletOS but only just. Neither was as good as they should be given their issues with basic home networks:
- Neptune needs better documentation and help. + ChaletOS website is simple and has much of the info you need.
- Neptune displayed frightening - at least for baisic users - warning messages and relatively sparse progress messages. - ChaletOS provided much better progress messages, when it didn't have a blank screen, and hid boot warning messages. The problem was that there were too many options for a beginner and not much help if I selected any option other than the default. I had one install freeze, options that wouldn't allow me to go back when I realized that another option was going to be less difficult, and strange things like recommending a WiFi connection but never connecting to it (it had the correct password). In the end, it was easier to install directly from the Live disk to avoid a problem where it tried to and couldn't unmount the Live disk and wouldn't progress any further.
+ Neptune used GParted for partition management as a separate step and selected empty partitions to install on. - ChaletOS tried to do it with its own dialogs and partition manager. It was more difficult to setup partly because it wanted to install to the largest partitions even though they were obviously in use. Many users wanting to dual boot would find themselves in trouble working which partition to use.
+ For the average Windows user, I'm not sure if it is a positive or negative defaulting to BtrFS for the system partition but Neptune does and I like it.
+ Neptune provided the option to place Home on another partition. - ChaletOS did not. This is one of the main install options that Windows users request so it would be a good idea to have it.
- Neptune had no option for a swap partition. + ChaletOS allowed a separate swap partition to be chosen.
+ Neptune requested an admin password and setup a superuser account. - ChaletOS wouldn't allow a proper name (first letter captitalized) user name.
- Neither connected to the Internet automatically through a cabled connection. They both find the wireless card, which was turned off, and want to use that. The ethernet link only connected after I manually configured the settings and then changed it back to automatic DHCP. I don't remember having this problem in the past where I remember eth devices were always prioritized over wlan. Both disabled Avahi network services discovery because the network has a local domain. I'd never used Avahi but as a Bonjour equivalent they should provide something better than disabling it for what is a common home network configuration.
-Both told me the languages need updating ... for English when they already have 1.3-1.4GB images!?

User interface
ChaletOS is clearly better looking and would be easier for a Windows user to move to:
- Neptune looks better once the desktop loads but is underwhelming while installing. + ChaletOS looks better right from the Live disk startup.
- Neptune looks really good if you prefer a monochromatic display. Generally it obviously tries to use as little screen space as possible but text is too small and icons harder to see. + Chalet looks a lot better right from booting Live. Icons are fonts are generally larger and more easily read. It has easier access to interface settings.
- Neptune main menu is cluttered and could be confusing to basic users. It is enough different to the XP to 7 start menu that it will cause problems. Again, using a bit more screen space would help a lot. + ChaletOS main menu is less cramped and slightly easier to follow.

Remah 27. Mar 2015 07:50 AM

Further info I should have added:
- Neptune often won't restart so I have to use the power button.
+ Neptune is 64-bit which I much prefer to 32-bit ChaletOS.


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