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Anupam 14. Jun 2012 08:31 AM

Opera 12
 
Much awaited Opera 12 final is now available for download. It comes with loads of improvements to the browser, like out-of-process plug-ins, new lightweight themes.

Opera Unite and widgets have been discontinued with this release.

Full release notes here :

http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/windows/1200/

George.J 14. Jun 2012 10:26 AM

Awesome man :-) . Why do you always win the race! :-D

Panzer 14. Jun 2012 10:37 AM

Anupam is bot, not a human. :)

Anupam 14. Jun 2012 12:56 PM

(In bot voice) I am not a bot .. I am totally human :D

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cheffo 14. Jun 2012 12:57 PM

Yes great to see it released. Think the Experimental Full Hardware Acceleration is going in the right direction, it is turned off by default and from users experience so far it apeears to work really well on most systems but not so well on others. HAPPY DAYS

George.J 14. Jun 2012 02:26 PM

Plugins are now separated into a different process. Well, I wonder how it would affect Opera that was relatively lightweight till the previous version.

George.J 14. Jun 2012 05:54 PM

Opera Unite, Opera Widgets, and Opera Voice Discontinuation:- Increased focus on Opera extensions.
Quote:

Opera Unite and Opera Widgets will be off by default in Opera 12.00, and will eventually be phased out of the Opera browser in the future. Voice support will be removed as of Opera 12.00, as the voice-detection library is no longer supported by the third-party vendor.

Taurus 14. Jun 2012 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George.J (Post 73331)
Awesome man :-) . Why do you always win the race! :-D

And there's a 64-bit version! I gotta try this out.

deya 15. Jun 2012 03:29 PM

Opera 12 is running well here, but I don't think it's one of their better releases to be honest, at least not for a final version. I've been using Opera Next for a long time and updated to each new snapshot along the way as 12 developed. There have been many good snapshot releases, and some not so good, but you expect to encounter bugs etc when using Alpha's and Beta's.

There were six Release Candidate's for this version [12] including two in one day this last week. It turned out that RC 6 was in fact the final, one file site I use even listed it as that, but the Opera Desktop Team didn't show it as that - at the time. This seems to have resulted in users downloading the final version, when if fact they were already using it, resulting in start menu error messages during the install. It happened to me, no big deal, I clicked ignore and the browser installed and works fine, but it isn't listed in the start menu.

Stupid little things like that just seem unnecessary to me, and looking through the comments on the Desktop Team page reveals that many users are not impressed with the way things are at the moment with this new release.

I've used Opera as my default browser for a long time, and will continue to do so. But open a few tabs in Opera 12 and watch the memory usage increase, it uses a lot more memory than other browsers I have installed while running several tabs.

You can't right click on bookmarks with this release, you can't delete bookmarks or edit properties from the menu, nothing, you have to use the bookmarks manager. Stupid little things again.

On the plus side, there are changes in 12 that I do like. Pages render much better, the browser is quicker on the machines here, definitely. I like the Themes option, not too bothered about pretty pictures and stuff, plain old white or black will do for me. They're nice and simple to install, and the few extensions I have installed work well.

So, generally speaking, I think Opera 12 is a good browser. It's just that I think it was rushed in the final stages of development. Opera seem to be getting drawn into this cycle of constant releases, like other browsers. I'd prefer them to just take their time, like they used to do, and get things right before pushing out stuff for general use when it's clear that they're not quite ready.

This version uses out of process plug-ins for the first time, so it's expected that there may be teething problems with that, higher CPU for example, and that's fine. I'm sure that will be addressed in future updates, although it doesn't seem to be causing me any problems while running the browser, I've noticed that it does take a while for the processes to end when the browser is closed.

Don't want to sound too critical, I still prefer Opera to any other browser. I just feel they need to quit trying to compete with others so hard. I'd rather have quality than quantity.

Taurus 15. Jun 2012 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deya (Post 73381)
Don't want to sound too critical, I still prefer Opera to any other browser. I just feel they need to quit trying to compete with others so hard. I'd rather have quality than quantity.

The same thing could be said of any browser out there with the exception of Internet Explorer.

IMHO, Opera 12 is the best 64-bit browser for Windows 7 to date. The add-ons (extensions) work well and equivalents are available for Adblock Plus, Ghostery, and WOT.

The issue for me that drags all browsers down for me is the Adobe Flash Player.
There is a 64-bit version for IE9, but not for other browsers. The lastest release of the Adobe Flash Player for none IE browsers is bloated and has caused mulitple issues on my machine. I have reverted back to the pervious version.

It has already been said on this forum, but progression toward HTML5 video can not come soon enough for me.

MidnightCowboy 15. Jun 2012 05:32 PM

Looks good but unfortunately our online editor spellcheck is still not supported. This is no doubt a minor issue for most, but a major one for me :) It's no big deal for my own stuff because I can simply use an external editor and copy the code across, but copy checking other articles is a no-no without seeing all those little red underlines. Shame.

deya 15. Jun 2012 07:26 PM

Like I said, Taurus, I don't want to sound too critical. Opera 12 has been in development for a good while, so a little longer to iron out a few things shouldn't have been a problem. To me, things just seem to have been a bit rushed in the final stages of releasing it.

I wouldn't trade Opera for any other browser at the moment.

Shame about your spell check issue, MC. But other than that, does it run well on Linux?

George.J 16. Jun 2012 03:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deya (Post 73381)
This seems to have resulted in users downloading the final version, when if fact they were already using it, resulting in start menu error messages during the install. It happened to me, no big deal, I clicked ignore and the browser installed and works fine, but it isn't listed in the start menu.

Stupid little things like that just seem unnecessary to me, and looking through the comments on the Desktop Team page reveals that many users are not impressed with the way things are at the moment with this new release.

I've used Opera as my default browser for a long time, and will continue to do so. But open a few tabs in Opera 12 and watch the memory usage increase, it uses a lot more memory than other browsers I have installed while running several tabs.

You can't right click on bookmarks with this release, you can't delete bookmarks or edit properties from the menu, nothing, you have to use the bookmarks manager. Stupid little things again.

Opera is listed in my Start Menu items, don't understand what went wrong in your case. Have you checked it again clearly and I believe the option to display Opera in start menu was selected when you installed?

About the Bookmarks, I have my sidebar enabled all the time, and I'm able to delete my Bookmarks directly on clicking the "Bookmark" icon in the sidebar.

On memory usage, I'm not a fan of out of process plugins, though they are better for security and keeping tab sessions intact, they consume much more memory and that becomes crucial for older systems. Still, Opera is the only browser among the top 5 mega browsers that works smoothly on my low end system (WinXP, 256MB RAM, 1.9GHz processor). While Firefox is unusable after 2 tabs, Chrome after 5tabs, Safari in 4 tabs, IE doesn't work on XP, Opera still runs smooth in 10tabs and has the fastest startup after Chrome. Whereas on my Win7 system I could smoothly run any browser.

George.J 16. Jun 2012 03:49 AM

Opera is the first browser to boast full hardware acceleration, top to bottom, not only for UI but also the content, 2D animations, CSS transforms or 3D WebGL content. This feature is disabled by default, probably they would like to improve this feature in coming releases.

Talk about pioneering innovation. :D

MidnightCowboy 16. Jun 2012 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deya (Post 73388)

Shame about your spell check issue, MC. But other than that, does it run well on Linux?

It runs fine. In fact I noticed that the spellcheck does work for all the admin boxes and page settings. It is literally just the editorial content that is affected. In this case I can just switch to Firefox if there's a whole new article to check out so maybe I'll switch to Opera. Need a bit more time to play with it which maybe won't come this weekend but I do like what I'm seeing so far.

Taurus 16. Jun 2012 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George.J (Post 73401)
Opera is the first browser to boast full hardware acceleration, top to bottom, not only for UI but also the content, 2D animations, CSS transforms or 3D WebGL content. This feature is disabled by default, probably they would like to improve this feature in coming releases.

Talk about pioneering innovation. :D

The 64-bit version seem to be working fine here. Something tells me that if I try the newest release of flash with Opera 12, things will go terribly wrong. Oh well...no guts no glory. The previous version of flash work fine.

deya 17. Jun 2012 12:20 AM

@ George J - Had a tinker around and got it in the start menu now. I don't normally have the side bar showing, but had a look and it does work the way you describe - I'd still prefer to be able to right click on the drop down menu though, don't know why they changed that.

Anyway, it's good to see it's working well for those who are using it, Linux and 64 bit included. Innovation has always been Opera's strong point for me, I hope they keep going in that direction. I don't miss the things that have been disabled, Unite etc.

I have a feeling it won't be long before there's an updated version on the way. It's a great browser that's for sure, but, for me, some of the more recent snapshots were better.

Taurus 17. Jun 2012 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taurus (Post 73423)
The 64-bit version seem to be working fine here. Something tells me that if I try the newest release of flash with Opera 12, things will go terribly wrong. Oh well...no guts no glory. The previous version of flash work fine.

Updated to the latest version of flash and Opera 12 64-bit is performing very well with no flash or Sandboxie issues. :)

George.J 17. Jun 2012 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deya (Post 73425)

Innovation has always been Opera's strong point for me, I hope they keep going in that direction. I don't miss the things that have been disabled, Unite etc.

I have a feeling it won't be long before there's an updated version on the way. It's a great browser that's for sure, but, for me, some of the more recent snapshots were better.

I believe there will be an updated version soon too. I was just waiting for Opera 12 to be out to update the article, now that Firefox is at v13 and Chrome at v19, while Safari and IE are still at v5 and v9 respectively.

cheffo 20. Jun 2012 02:23 PM

Already some fixes for Opera Next. And by the looks of things heading quickly to a release for Opera 12.01 in the coming weeks.
http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog...snapshot-12-01

deya 22. Jun 2012 04:36 PM

Had a bit of time to mess around with Opera this afternoon. I did a clean install of Opera 12 Final, it seems to run better than before although there are still glitches. I also installed the latest Opera Next snapshot, which also runs a little bit better.

I was looking through some of the bug reports on the Opera site, users have posted links to sites that they say don't load or render correctly so I tried a couple and got the same results, pages didn't load correctly. So I decided to disable the extensions I have installed and try the pages again. This time they loaded.

I have three extensions installed - WOT, Up For Everyone, and Opera Adblock. Tried them one by one and noticed that the extension causing the page loading problems, for me, was Opera Adblock. When that extension is disabled the problem sites load. So it seems to me that Opera may be suffering from the effects of third party add-ons in some cases, problems similar to other browsers that support add-ons / extensions.

I still have issues on some sites, mainly ones containing video [stuttering playback and tabs freezing] - although uTube seems to work fine. And I also have issues with rendering maps on the Garmin site I use, issues which I don't have with any other browser on that site.

Memory still ramps up high when using the latest Opera, but using the old trick of minimising the browser to the tray then re-opening it knocks memory use back down again. That doesn't worry me because I have plenty of RAM, but even so, Opera has become more resource hungry from what I can see - both with XP and Win 7.

I hope they take their time to iron out the glitches before releasing any more updates to the Final version. I decided to clean install Opera 12, thinking that maybe too many over the tops in the past could have been the problem. Doing that appears to have improved performance but, as I said, I also think that the Opera Adblock extension is causing some problems.

Sope 22. Jun 2012 06:34 PM

I find Opera Adblock causes a fair number of problems with loading of pages for me too. It was much the same with the later versions of Opera 11. For a while now I've have been using the Opera Adblock toolbar button to disable it when a page doesn't load properly, and in many cases it does indeed seem to be the main culprit.

George.J 22. Jun 2012 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deya (Post 73627)

I have three extensions installed - WOT, Up For Everyone, and Opera Adblock. Tried them one by one and noticed that the extension causing the page loading problems, for me, was Opera Adblock. When that extension is disabled the problem sites load. So it seems to me that Opera may be suffering from the effects of third party add-ons in some cases, problems similar to other browsers that support add-ons / extensions.

It's hard to blame these on the Adblock extensions as a whole. Remember that these extensions are checking the addresses against thousands and more filters to block the ads by calling the content policies and there could be a few false positives here and there. In that case it's best to whitelist the webpage or even the whole domain. You can also put the blame on websites becauses some of them requires the ads to render the page correctly and blocking these ads would be critical.

Quote:

Originally Posted by deya (Post 73627)
I still have issues on some sites, mainly ones containing video [stuttering playback and tabs freezing] - although uTube seems to work fine. And I also have issues with rendering maps on the Garmin site I use, issues which I don't have with any other browser on that site.

It's not necessary that these problems should be concerned with Opera. Until the latest update Flash 11.3 didn't load any videos on Firefox and this news was all over the net to which Adobe apologized later on. If you are not getting videos properly rendered on Opera try updating to the latest patch or downgrade to v11.2. Also there was a issue with the co-existence of Real Player plugin and Adobe Flash. If you're still having problems, hopefully Opera will be fixing them in the next update.

Quote:

Originally Posted by deya (Post 73627)
Memory still ramps up high when using the latest Opera, but using the old trick of minimising the browser to the tray then re-opening it knocks memory use back down again. That doesn't worry me because I have plenty of RAM, but even so, Opera has become more resource hungry from what I can see - both with XP and Win 7.

I wonder when will Firefox follow this suit, of minimizing the web browser to reduce memory consumption while not active. Opera 11.5 was lighter than v12, may be this was because plugin processes wasn't separated from the main process.

All that being said, in all the latest tests at Tom's Hardware Web Browser Grand Prix involving the 5 major browsers, Opera seems to lead by a good margin against other browsers in proper page load reliability category since v11. I can see this from personal experience too. Page rendering problems with Opera is a thing of the past. Also for the first time Opera came out as the winner after a long break in his tests, the spot which was usually occupied by Chrome or Firefox.

George.J 22. Jun 2012 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sope (Post 73632)
I find Opera Adblock causes a fair number of problems with loading of pages for me too. It was much the same with the later versions of Opera 11. For a while now I've have been using the Opera Adblock toolbar button to disable it when a page doesn't load properly, and in many cases it does indeed seem to be the main culprit.

Doesn't anybody use Fanboy's Adblock List + Optimized Element Filters with Opera? It works better than Opera Adblock for me, though not as powerful, but still cleans out ads well and removes the white spaces too. Also it's more resource friendly than adding an extension for the same.

deya 23. Jun 2012 12:05 AM

On the whole, I was pleased when Opera started supporting extensions. Although I don't use many, some of them are useful, WOT being one of them. Opera Adblock has, and does, work well enough for me but I was always happy enough to use the built in content blocker in the past. But as we see with other browsers, extensions / add-ons have to be kept up to date or they can begin to cause issues, then we end up with all the compatibility problems - compatibility reporters etc.

I think Sope has used Opera for a long time, as have I, and he's seeing the same thing with Adblock. What I'm saying is that many of the site related issues, pages not loading etc, that are being reported are probably being caused by that particular extension - and yet users are blaming Opera itself, which is not necessarily the case. It's more likely a third party issue.

Opera always has had page rendering issues, always. Some Websites just don't load properly with Presto, some require you have 'send referrer information' enabled for them to show correctly. But I agree that Opera's overall page rendering has vastly improved of late.

I have the latest Flash, Java etc, installed. But running some video sites, or sites with lots of Flash and heavy graphics causes Opera problems at the moment. This wasn't as evident in 11. Perhaps there are issues with Opera and Flash, but I don't see the same problems when using other browsers on the same sites. Maxthon 3 for example runs video almost flawlessly for me, including using the built in pop-out player. And the only time I've had problems with the maps while using Garmin Connect is when I'm accessing the site with Opera - but this is not new to Opera 12.

No doubt, in time, the opere-plugin-wrapper will improve, it's early days for Opera in that respect. I mentioned Maxthon 3 earlier, but that runs more processes than Opera to achieve it's performance and has taken ages in development to get there so, in a way, it's a bit of an unfair comparison. But Opera seemed, to me, to use less resources in previous builds with just the one process running - opera.exe. And although the latest browsers all seem to claim they use less resources these days, I don't particularly notice it much, so Opera is no different there either.

As stated by Opera, many times, the only way to gauge the browser is to run it in default mode, with no extensions installed. I think the developers, in certain cases, are taking a bit of a kicking from users who are probably using an extension laden Opera, when in fact it may be one or two of those extensions causing the issues. Looking at it again, as I have today, indicates to me that Opera Adblock can cause some sites not to load, which in turn gives the impression that the browser is running slow or sluggish - even causing higher resource use.

Nothing's perfect, and these are just my observations. But I wonder how many users have come across these same issues while using / trying Opera 12, only to dismiss the browser as a poor performer and un-install it?

George.J 23. Jun 2012 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deya (Post 73637)

But Opera seemed, to me, to use less resources in previous builds with just the one process running - opera.exe. And although the latest browsers all seem to claim they use less resources these days, I don't particularly notice it much, so Opera is no different there either.

These claims can be best measured on old systems. On all the latest systems running Win7, having oodles of RAM available and also a graphics card to reduce the chores of the CPU, there's no marked difference in memory consumption among these browsers. This is one of the reasons why I'm left with not much choices, except for Opera and other light weight browsers on my low-end system.

Sope 23. Jun 2012 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George.J (Post 73634)
Doesn't anybody use Fanboy's Adblock List + Optimized Element Filters with Opera?

I used Fanboy's Adblock List for a long time before Opera introduced extensions and yes, it did the job well. Once Opera Adblock extension became available I switched over to using that, mainly for the convenience of automatic updates. Hard to know if it's the current Fanboy list that is the cause of certain page loading issues or something else within the extension itself. Suppose I could go back to manually using the old urlfilter.ini method for comparison but it's not that big a deal to me really.
As you say, I suspect it's the way that some websites are integrating ads into their pages that is also a significant factor in this. After all, it's not in their interests to allow people to easily block their ads!

MidnightCowboy 23. Jun 2012 11:48 AM

I'm using the Fanboy's list + tracking with Opera 12 (Linux) and it's fine for what I need.

George.J 23. Jun 2012 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MidnightCowboy (Post 73655)
I'm using the Fanboy's list + tracking with Opera 12 (Linux) and it's fine for what I need.

Without Element Hiding Filter's doesn't the white spaces bother you?

deya 02. Aug 2012 10:26 AM

Opera 12.01 is released.

http://www.opera.com/download/

Changelog is here;

http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/windows/1201/

George.J 02. Aug 2012 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deya (Post 74879)

According to the latest "trend" adopted by Firefox and Chromium, this should have been Opera 13 :D Glad to see that Opera didn't follow suit in naming each version like them.

Collier 02. Aug 2012 05:57 PM

misbehaving for me the whirling circle at top of tab continues even tho page seems loaded. Plus won't let me post!! :eek:
so I switched to K Meleon which does :)

Panzer 09. Aug 2012 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Collier (Post 74892)
so I switched to K Meleon which does :)

Wise decision. :)

deya 15. Aug 2012 10:00 PM

Opera have today released a snapshot version of 12.02, which contains a stability fix for the Windows 32 bit version. Basically, what they've done is taken it back to running just one process - opere.exe, and temporarily removed out of process plug-ins.

Just to be clear, this is not a final release but it will install over your stable version of 12.01 if you have it. It's a snapshot, and is only for Windows 32 bit machines.

If you're interested it's best to read about it here - and notice the warning;

http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog...-stability-fix

If you use Opera and you've been experiencing problems with the latest version, video playback issues or freezing on some pages, then this might be of use you.

I've installed it and can notice the difference, this snapshot runs much better for me - XP and Win 7 32 bit. They've acknowledged that opera_plugin_wrapper was causing issues for some users and have done this while they sort out the problems.

It's not a final version, but I just thought to post this here in case it may be of interest to anyone who uses Opera.

George.J 16. Aug 2012 04:32 AM

I hope they could give an option in the settings page, to choose between out-of-process plugins or otherwise. Personally am not a fan of it, as it makes Opera feel heavier, though they are useful for crash protection, I havn't had any crashes in Opera in the first place.

Collier 16. Aug 2012 07:25 PM

Opera 12
 
yes much improved thank you

deya 16. Aug 2012 11:36 PM

Yes, it would be good to have the option to choose if you wanted to use out of process plug-ins or not. Maybe they'll consider that. At least they're doing something about it and, with this snapshot release, Opera is running much better for me. I never had crashes in the first place either, so all the plugin_wrapper did was mess things up a bit - the browser wasn't the same when it was running in 12 and 12.01, I think it was a mistake on their part to release it as a final. But they seem to have acknowledged that now. See what happens next.

deya 30. Aug 2012 10:03 AM

Opera 12.02 is released;

http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog...bility-release

Use the links for changelogs.

From the page; "Windows only - The Windows 32-bit version has been reverted to in-process plugins while stability issues stemming from the out-of-process plugin system are investigated and resolved"

Download;

http://www.opera.com/browser/

deya 06. Nov 2012 09:51 AM

Opera 12.10 is released;

http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog...final-released

Changelog;

http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/unified/1210/

deya 20. Nov 2012 12:55 PM

Opera 12.11 Final released;

http://www.opera.com/browser/

Changelog;

http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/unified/1211/


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