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Old 05. Feb 2013, 05:48 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Opera 12.14 is now available officially on the Opera site.
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Old 05. Feb 2013, 06:34 PM   #72 (permalink)
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Just a guess, you're not trying to change the settings while Opera is sandboxed are you?
No. I made sure I made the changes outside of SandBoxie.

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Strange, I've tested this and am able to select any search engine I choose (including DDG) and it appears to stick after a restart.
I didn't restart after making the changes - maybe that's why.

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So far v12.14 is still working ok for me.
Well I was referring to v12.13. I'll give v12.14 a spin when the update comes through to me and see.

In all of this, I still have the character formatting problem, so if it isn't fixed in v12.14 I may really go with the Fox.
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Old 05. Feb 2013, 08:32 PM   #73 (permalink)
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I checked for updates from within the browser and got the 12.14 Final update, it installed without issue and is running fine. Also, I noticed that the AdBlock extension updated this afternoon so if that was one of the reasons for the crash loop, checking for updates, it must be fixed properly now.

I've just checked to see if I can change the search engines and had no problems selecting and setting any number of them as default, including DDG. They all worked fine, even after a re-start. But I do also remember Google being set as default search in a recent update - maybe 12.12, but can't remember for sure. I had no problem changing it though.

Thing I don't get with Opera sometimes is why they don't use Opera Next more to test out these releases more thoroughly, I mean, I have it installed and don't mind using it to test future versions. If they crash or run buggy I don't mind at all, that's what Next is for. I just fail to see the point of pushing out defective updates to general users until Opera are sure they're ready.

Looking through their forums over the last few days, you can sense the frustration, confusion, and often anger when things go wrong, as it did with 12.13. Some of it borders on near hysteria, some users seeking help or reassurance, others being rude and posting unhelpful comments, arguments and melodrama all over the place. I saw your thread about the character formatting issue, Joe. You've got more faith than me to be getting involved with that crowd. So defensive, condescending and downright rude some of them are. It doesn't help at all and really only succeeds in driving people away from the browser. It amazes me that Opera tolerate it to be honest.

Thing is with Opera, they have a really good product - ok, maybe it's a little buggy at times but which browser isn't from time to time if we're honest? But every now and then they shoot themselves right in the foot, and in quite a spectacular way with 12.13. It just doesn't make sense to me when they have a testing channel, as with Next.

It's been said before, here and elsewhere, that rapidly releasing update after update without ironing out the existing bugs is not good policy. It serves no purpose unless it's to address security or stability issues, and it's not as if users don't report bugs so the developers must know that they exist.

With so many different platforms to facilitate; desktops, smartphones, tablets etc, I wonder if eventually one particular platform will begin to suffer - that they take their eye off the ball with one platform while concentrating too much on the others. Just a theory, and maybe an unjustified one. I can't recall versions 10 or 11 being so problematic. Perhaps I just have a short memory.

For me personally though, Opera is still my preference as default browser. I have others installed, and they're good, I do use them. It's always good to have something to fall back on if things go wrong, as they did for me, and many others with the last dodgy release.
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Old 06. Feb 2013, 02:21 AM   #74 (permalink)
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Thanks for checking that you can set the default browser deya.

Yeah. I guess I can give v12.14 a spin, but I'm in no hurry really so I'll just wait for the update.

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I saw your thread about the character formatting issue, Joe. You've got more faith than me to be getting involved with that crowd. So defensive, condescending and downright rude some of them are.
Oh, so you saw my thread. Yeah, it was a bit of a problem getting a particular person to understand the issue I had. I do know I had no problems with the formatting in 12.11, it was only after updating to 12.12 that problems began. Honestly, it was my first time on Opera's forum. I figured I'd give it a shot, but my experience wasn't too nice, that's why I didn't go back.
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Joe, that's what I meant. I read the Opera forums from time to time, just for reference, and I reckon many people who go there looking for help or answers don't have a nice experience either - "If you don't like it go and use another browser" isn't much use if you're looking for answers to a problem. But I've come across that attitude often on there. I don't blame you for not going back. Seriously, what good is that? No wonder people get despondent and drift away to another browser.

On the search engine issue. I noticed when opening 'Manage Search Engines' that I have two instances of Google. One has the keyword 'g' and the other 'google'. Never noticed that before, and I certainly haven't added another. Maybe that might have something to do with switched default previously. I don't know.

This version is running very well though, 12.14.
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Thanks for sticking with me deya.

OK. I just noticed that the v12.13 update was pushed through and I upgraded it.

I have to say that I finally got to set DDG as my default search engine again. I managed to find the instructions here:
http://help.duckduckgo.com/customer/...rticles/216453
Incidentally, Opera didn't need to be restarted after installing and setting DDG as the default for it to work.

I also just now tested to see if the keyboard shortcuts for character formatting works, and it doesn't . I'm certain I used to use K/B shortcuts all the time in v12.11. This alone may drive me to the Fox.
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On the search engine issue. I noticed when opening 'Manage Search Engines' that I have two instances of Google. One has the keyword 'g' and the other 'google'. Never noticed that before, and I certainly haven't added another. Maybe that might have something to do with switched default previously. I don't know.
It's strange that you have 2 instances of Google. I'd venture to say that the one with the 'g' keyword is the original one that comes with Opera. I'd just delete the other if I were you.
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Joe, that's what I meant. I read the Opera forums from time to time, just for reference, and I reckon many people who go there looking for help or answers don't have a nice experience either - "If you don't like it go and use another browser" isn't much use if you're looking for answers to a problem. But I've come across that attitude often on there. I don't blame you for not going back. Seriously, what good is that? No wonder people get despondent and drift away to another browser.
Similar attitude on many of the Linux forums too. Talk about killing your own cause.

I love Opera but the fact that our online editor web spellcheck is not supported kills the issue stone dead.
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Old 13. Feb 2013, 12:51 PM   #78 (permalink)
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Opera have announced they're switching the browser engine to WebKit;

http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/2013/02/13/webkit

http://www.opera.com/press/releases/2013/02/13/

Big changes ahead.
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Opera have announced they're switching the browser engine to WebKit;

Big changes ahead.
Like many, I'm hoping this won't negatively impact Opera's M2 Mail client, customisability and it's current in-built UI features.
I've always liked the fact that Opera offers virtually all the features I find useful without the need to resort to installing a large number of extensions.
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I can understand their strategy with this announcement, from a business point of view. Wasting resources, time and money, trying to keep up with rapidly changing ways to access the internet with Presto is going to be an ongoing game of catch-up for them. Site uncompatibilty, although not something I come across often is obviously an issue to many, judging by the complaints and reviews they often get.

The mobile side of their business is the part that seems to really thrive, and the only way to expand on that looks to be by going with WebKit. So it stands to reason that the desktop browser has to go the same way, sad that it may be because I don't mind Presto at all. One less in the competition though, good or bad?

We'll have to wait and see what happens, and it should be interesting. But I agree with Sope, I wouldn't like Opera to lose any of the built in functions we've become used to having - nor do I want to have to load it up with tons of extensions just to make it as functional as it is now, for me.

I won't stop using it because of this announcement, I'm willing to give anything a fair try, and maybe this change will work out for the better. Reading around, it seems that many users are very disappointed by the news. But there are many more, and much bigger disappointments in life than a Web browser changing its rendering engine.

All I would hope for is that the browser doesn't lose too much of its interface and customisation - its originality if you like. What would be a shame would be for it to morph into just another clone.
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