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Old 29. May 2009, 01:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
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There has been quite a discussion going on in the "Best Free Web Browser" category over IE8. I figured it would be best if I set up a topic here on the board to continue the discussion, since it has turned into a full blown debate over the features and security of the product.

To summarize what has been said so far:
  • IE8 is the best browser MS has put out yet in terms of security and features.
  • IE8 has the equivalent of Chrome's "Incognito Mode" which will provide a level of security and cover your browsing tracks.
  • IE8 now supports a plug-in architecture
  • IE8 is greatly enhanced with the "IE7 Pro" plug-in
  • IE8 doesn't have near as many plug-ins as Firefox

Lets keep the discussion going. A product such as this getting this kind of discussion and debate is what TSA is all about, but lets keep it civil and in the appropriate section of the web site.

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Old 29. May 2009, 01:43 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Some entries from the comments section of "Best Free Web Browser" that are related to this topic:


#1Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 05/29/2009 - 07:02.

Despite what the MS propaganda states,
IE8 -even with IE7Pro- will NEVER EVER reach
the Speed, Security, and Features
of Firefox and Opera!

The fact that most users stay with IE,
as they don't even Try an Alternative
Browser (e.g. Firefox, Opera, SWIron etc.),
and keep using what is Pre-Installed in Windows
is not a proof of IE superiority.

Quantity (big market share in Internet Browsers)
is NOT synonymous with Quality!

When hackers bring IE8 'down to knees' and MS
discover new Security Holes people will
realize that IE8 and IE7Pro is NOT
the best they run for Internet Browser!

-The Ignorance of Average Users
towards the Existence of other Browsers
as well as
-the Hesitation of Average Users
to try other Browsers
makes many people to believe that
IE8 and IE7Pro is the best option
for Internet Browsing.


#2Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 05/28/2009 - 12:26.

"With IE7Pro, IE8 is the most powerful combination out there." +1



#3Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 05/29/2009 - 06:37.

I tried IE8 BUT switched back to Firefox!
The Ad/Pop Up Blocking protection of AdBlock Plus
of Firefox is absent in IE8.
I surf a lot and visit many sites with
annoying Pop up Windows and Advertisements.
IE8 with IE7Pro did NOT protected me against these!


#4Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 05/22/2009 - 11:31.

Mozilla firefox is always amazing... tried IE 8, didn impressed me much...


#5Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 05/28/2009 - 07:31.

Me too.
-Why use IE8 when Firefox offers so many Add-Ons
that make it so Factional?


#6Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 05/28/2009 - 12:53.

Do you mean functional?
IE8 is alot better, and more secure, than its predecessors. It is easily customisable eg Tools>Internet Options>Security etc, and hence does not need so many addons. It now has a privacy feature, which Firefox now has, and combined with IE7 Pro there probably isnt a need for many more addons!


#7Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 05/29/2009 - 06:31.

Functional means Thousands of Add-Ons that IE8 will never have.
I'm not a Native English Speaker.I want both an English Spell-Checker and a Spell-Checker for my Native language. Both Opera and Firefox offer me English and other languages Spell-Checkers. IE8 lacks these features!


#8Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 05/28/2009 - 14:10.

Correction - the private browsing feature in firefox isnt yet available, unless using Minefield.



#11Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 10:19.

2. Why there isn't Internet Explorer 8 on list? It's free, isn't it :-)?

My mini review of IE 8:
+ fast (faster than competition on many pages)
+ very secure (I used from RC and had zero adware and spyware which I can't say for IE 7)
+ accelerators are fantastic future
+ best history search
+ many futures out of box (for which you need add ons in Firefox)

- need 4-5 seconds to open new tab (my main frustration)
- memory leak (almost terrible like Firefox but contrary to FF, it doesn't slow down Windows (Vista Home Premium in my case))
- interface could be better (it can be hacked)

With IE7Pro, IE8 is the most powerful combination out there.
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Old 29. May 2009, 02:16 PM   #3 (permalink)
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There has been quite a discussion going on in the "Best Free Web Browser" category over IE8...
How about compare it with Chrome, which I feel is the fastest among all and is the one I am using everyday. Have tried the latest versions of IE, Firefox and Opera, but none of them can beat it in terms of speed.

See also: Speed test: Google Chrome beats Firefox, IE, Safari
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That speed test is a little bit outdated (written in September 2, 2008 4:18 PM PDT) don't you think? Maybe there's not much of a difference in that 9 months minus a few days gap (as of today) since Chrome's speed is almost unbeatable.

I can't say much about IE since I switched from IE6 to Firefox a few years ago. In my opinion, each web browser has their own pros and cons, so there's not much point arguing, see which one suits you best.

If you want speed, go with Chrome; add-ons, go with Firefox; a decent web browser, (IMO) Opera; a cut-down version of Firefox, Seamonkey (its noticeably faster than Firefox and has other non-web-browser-related features). Security is an important issue but OpenDNS can take care of that (along with a little common sense from the user).

There are plenty of web browsers so of course they'll be loads of discussions about them. One thing that would prove useful is an app or something that helps synchronize bookmarks and settings (like default home page) for different web browsers and across different platforms (if possible).

P.S - I just noticed the topic is 'Discussion of IE8' after clicking 'Preview Post', hope you don't mind if my post is a bit out of topic.
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Old 30. May 2009, 03:17 PM   #5 (permalink)
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If you want speed, go with Chrome; add-ons, go with Firefox; a decent web browser, (IMO) Opera...
Agreed. And maybe a default browser that fits most websites, IE7/IE8 (true?). Looks like we can't get one which has the best of two worlds.
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More posts on this from the comments section of "Best Free Web Browser":

#2S Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 06/01/2009

Dear Readers,
Please, do NOT believe what some
M$ $HILLS write about IE8.
Try alternative Browsers (Firefox, Opera, SWRIron etc.)
and stay away from the M$ Propaganda/BrainWashing

There are Safer, Faster, and more Stable Choices than IE8.
Try by yourself and set your selves free from the M$ Dependency!


#3Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 06/01/2009 - 07:29.

An excerpt from http://www.pcworld.com/article/16152...before_phones_...

'The first browser to go was Apple's Safari browser running on a Macintosh. Last year's contest winner, Charlie Miller quickly hacked into the Mac using a bug he found while preparing for last year's event. Though Miller's Apple hacking has given him a lot of attention, Safari is an easy target, he said in an interview right after his hack. "There are a lot of bugs out there."

Microsoft's Internet Explorer didn't fare much better, though. Another hacker, who identified himself to organizers only as Nils, had soon hacked Internet Explorer 8. Nils then wowed the hackers in the room by unleashing exploits for Safari and Firefox as well'

#4Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 05/31/2009 - 06:35.

After reading about IE8 and IE7Pro, I decided to give them a try:

1)I did NOT find IE8 being faster than FF or Opera.
2)The Pop-Up/Ad Blockers of bothIE8 and IE7Pro did NOT protect me
as effectively as the AdBlock Plus of FF did against Nasty
Pop Up windows of Warez/Porn sites I tested it against.
(I could give you the Links but it is not allowed here.)
3)IE7Pro can install additional spell-checkers (Non-english)
4)IE7Pro canNOT add a Paste-and-Go Button
OR a mouse Right-Click Paste-and-Go option.
5)When I tried to Bookmark several sites,
IE8 did NOT display correctly the Logo of the WebSite
in front of the WebSite Name (Under the Favorites Menu)
no matter how many times I tried.
Instead of the WebSite's Logo,
the Bookmark sign of IE8 (the one having the blue 'e') showed up.
After searching a little, I read that other IE8 users had difficulty in saving several WebSites' Logos in Favorites.

I believe that IE8 needs more improvement and it is NOT
as ready as Microsoft states.

I will keep IE8 because it is improved compared with IE7.
BUT I will continue to use another browser as my primary browser.


#5Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 05/31/2009 - 19:00.

It is a good idea to do some research and try something out first before commenting on it.
Here are a few, more detailed, 'expert' reviews of IE8 to start off with:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2328880,00.asp
http://www.itpro.co.uk/610250/intern...lorer-8-review
http://www.computerworld.com/action/...wArticleBasic&...
http://www.pcworld.com/article/16158...lly_safer.html
http://www.pcworld.com/article/16153...8_a_complete_r...


#6Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 06/01/2009 - 05:29.

Keep on proving us that you are a M$ $HILL and nothing more!
The BrainWashing STOPS here!
Even if M$ pays all the PC Magazines and BUYS favorable "Reviews",
users know that Opera, FF, SWRIron etc. will offer MORE than
what the Buggy IE will offer.


#7Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 06/01/2009 - 06:33.

You really are missing the point!

Can you substantiate your claim - 'Even if MS pays all the PC Magazines and BUYS favorable "Reviews",'


#8Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 06/01/2009 - 05:21.

Nice!
M$ paid Ads...


#9Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 05/31/2009 - 07:47.

Agree. Too much trouble for Nothing...Some tried to convince us that IE8 and IE7Pro is better than any Browser...


#10Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 05/31/2009 - 09:32.

It was never said by all posts that IE8+IE7Pro is better than any browser. Read them again carefully.


#11Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 06/01/2009 - 05:39.

IE8 and IE7Pro SUCKS!!!


#12Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 06/01/2009 - 05:22.

The M$ Propaganda goes on...


#13Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 05/31/2009 - 10:15.

Absolutely, the main point that most people here are trying to raise is that IE8 (unlike IE7) is a decent alternative to 3rd party browsers, and that this article should at least acknowledge that reasonably substantiated opinion. Those who got fed up with previous versions of IE, and who now only use 3rd party browsers might gain some benefit from giving IE8 a go.

There are a few wishing for a blanket ban on such talk, but their opinions may derive from problems with the acceptance of human nature; rather than credible or relevant rational.


#14Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 06/01/2009 - 05:25.

First, IE8 promoted as being equal/same with FF, Opera, SWRIron.
Now, users expose its weaknesses, IE8 is promoted as a Decent? Browser.
Keep on going, guys...
Nobody, believes you anymore.


Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 05/29/2009 - 07:02.

Despite what the MS propaganda states,
IE8 -even with IE7Pro- will NEVER EVER reach
the Speed, Security, and Features
of Firefox and Opera!

The fact that most users stay with IE,
as they don't even Try an Alternative
Browser (e.g. Firefox, Opera, SWIron etc.),
and keep using what is Pre-Installed in Windows
is not a proof of IE superiority.

Quantity (big market share in Internet Browsers)
is NOT synonymous with Quality!

When hackers bring IE8 'down to knees' and MS
discover new Security Holes people will
realize that IE8 and IE7Pro is NOT
the best they run for Internet Browser!

-The Ignorance of Average Users
towards the Existence of other Browsers
as well as
-the Hesitation of Average Users
to try other Browsers
makes many people to believe that
IE8 and IE7Pro is the best option
for Internet Browsing.


#10Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 05/29/2009 - 08:50.

I disagree, a lot of people now use firefox! What's funny is that most of them don't bother with (or are not aware of) it's additional plug ins, which is what makes firefox good. It's ironic, because out of the box it is (imho) inferior to IE8, it's only when you customize it substantially it starts to shine, although by then it often loses any speed advantage.


#11Submitted by Anonymous on Sat, 05/30/2009 - 05:39.

And I disagree more with the MS promoters who try to push IE8
when Security Experts and Hackers know that IE8 is FULL of
Security Holes.


#12Submitted by Anonymous on Sat, 05/30/2009 - 08:33.

And where is your evidence for this? Or is this just what you want to believe, so FF can reign unchallenged once again?

There are pros and cons for all browsers but read some unbiased independent reviews, IE8 is a very different beast to IE7.


#13Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 05/31/2009 - 05:09.

Oh, really?
This is what the Microsoft Brain-Washing wants us to believe.
Sorry, but I won't take a bite.

When Hackers will STRIP Internet Explorer DOWN
(for one more time...they did with IE6 and IE7...)
and Microsoft will be trying to Patch IE8
(which is full of Security Holes),
you will feel very certain and proud of IE8.


#14Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 05/31/2009 - 07:26.

Well, since you've already identified these holes, why not put such knowledge to use? Either by helping MS to secure IE8, or by exploiting these vulnerabilities for personal gain. Both seam like a more productive use of your knowledge, rather than just posting anonymous warnings about it!


#15Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 05/31/2009 - 08:05.

No, neither myself nor other Code Exploiters will ever help M$.


#16Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 06/01/2009 - 07:53.

Yes, they do actually:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/16152...before_phones_...

'For the attacks to count, hackers had to use the bugs to get code to run on the machine. The bugs uncovered through the contest get vetted by TippingPoint, and are then handed over to the associated software vendors to be patched.'


#17Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 05/31/2009 - 06:46.

No one needs Hackers to realize that IE8 is a Stinky app!
IE8 is so Buggy that only a xxxxx would find it better than FF, Opera, Iron, and Chrome.


#18Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 05/31/2009 - 14:33.

What are the bugs?


#19Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 06/01/2009 - 05:33.

Remember when IE8 signals a window and asks you
Send or Not the report to MS?
Don't tell me that it is not Familiar...
Don't tell me that you hear about it for the 1st time...
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The new Opera has 'turbo'. Mine's so fast now I can't read the pages!
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Someone made the interesting point that IE8 is freeware.

OK, please tell me where I can download it and install it on my older Windows systems, to try it out.

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IE8 Download: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/int...r/default.aspx
System requirements: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/int...r/default.aspx
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The new Opera has 'turbo'. Mine's so fast now I can't read the pages!
Is it faster than Chrome? If yes, I'd love to switch to and see if I can read the pages

At IE8 homepage, it claims IE8 to be "Faster, safer, easier than ever".
My view: Faster than IE7? maybe yes. Faster than other browsers such as Chrome? I don't think so.
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