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Av_Crazy 04. Feb 2012 01:50 PM

Opera questions
 
Firefox is currently haning a lot and my current borwseras of now is chrome and frankly i dont have any major problems with it but i do get minor problems with it
so i want to try opera again
I have tried to use opera for a few times but i didnt like some feature or the other

one main problem - the bookmark bar
the opera bookmark toolbar shows an arrow to the right of every folder in the bookmark bar - any way to remove it ?
the bookmarks in the folders dont show in the same way as they show in chrome

any way to move the opera icon from the top right to the toolbar ?

there are just too many options in settings - any things i need to change in settings to make it faster or better ?

Anupam 04. Feb 2012 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Av_Crazy (Post 68336)
the opera bookmark toolbar shows an arrow to the right of every folder in the bookmark bar - any way to remove it ?

Can't remove that... its the way they have designed it.

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Originally Posted by Av_Crazy (Post 68336)
I don't have Chrome, but
the bookmarks in the folders dont show in the same way as they show in chrome

Every browser has got their own way of doing things.
Any particular thing you are looking for? I don't have Chrome, so I don't know the bookmarks function in Chrome. So, you will have to be specific.

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Originally Posted by Av_Crazy (Post 68336)
any way to move the opera icon from the top right to the toolbar ?

Only thing you can do for is that to click on Opera icon, and choose the option "Show Menu Bar"... which will make it change its Chrome-like appearance, back to normal Menu bar mode.

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Originally Posted by Av_Crazy (Post 68336)
there are just too many options in settings - any things i need to change in settings to make it faster or better ?

So many settings can be a bit overwhelming at first, but take sometime to go through them... they are not much.

If you have a slow internet, you can turn on the Opera Turbo feature. Other than that, I think you yourself should go through the settings, and decide how you want them.

Av_Crazy 04. Feb 2012 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Anupam (Post 68341)
Every browser has got their own way of doing things.
Any particular thing you are looking for? I don't have Chrome, so I don't know the bookmarks function in Chrome. So, you will have to be specific

i have many folders on the bookmark bar and many bookmarks in those folders
the way i have arranged the bookmarks they appear the same way when i import them in firefox but they are shown alphabatically in opera - both the folders and the bookmarks in them - so i have to rearrange them again !


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Only thing you can do for is that to click on Opera icon, and choose the option "Show Menu Bar"... which will make it change its Chrome-like appearance, back to normal Menu bar mode..
that takes even more space - no way to move it like in firefox ?


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So many settings can be a bit overwhelming at first, but take sometime to go through them... they are not much.

If you have a slow internet, you can turn on the Opera Turbo feature. Other than that, I think you yourself should go through the settings, and decide how you want them.
The settings il go through them again but they should keep the settings to a minimal like in chrome and firefox

deya 04. Feb 2012 05:38 PM

To move the Opera icon from the top right; right click the icon - customize - appearance. Select 'Buttons', then 'Browser'. Drag the Opera icon to the bottom bar, place it where you want it - click ok. Now you should have one at the top and one at the bottom.

Go back to the top right icon, right click, customize - appearance. Click the 'Placement' drop down and select 'off'. Click ok. Now you should have just the one icon at the bottom.

If you want the text at the side of the icon image, right click it, customize - appearance - then select the 'Style' drop down - select 'Images text on right', then ok.

You can move the icon around by right clicking it - customize - appearance - then move it where you want to.

To revert back to default settings just right click any toolbar, select customize, then 'Reset Toolbar To Its Defaults'.

Anupam 04. Feb 2012 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Av_Crazy (Post 68343)
i have many folders on the bookmark bar and many bookmarks in those folders
the way i have arranged the bookmarks they appear the same way when i import them in firefox but they are shown alphabatically in opera - both the folders and the bookmarks in them - so i have to rearrange them again !

OK... got it.. after searching for a while.

Go to Bookmarks --> Manage Bookmarks(Ctrl+Shift+b)

In the bookmarks management screen, click on View, which is on RHS, besides the search box. There, you will get various options to sort the bookmarks by. One of the options is to "Sort by My Order". I think that would suit you. You can select it before importing any bookmarks, so that they remain in the same order when you import them.

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Originally Posted by Av_Crazy (Post 68343)
that takes even more space - no way to move it like in firefox ?

Again, I am not quite sure what you are asking here. Explain more.
Which Opera icon are you talking about? The big Opera icon marked O at the top left, from where the menu opens? The one equivalent of the orange Firefox icon?

Or, are you talking about something else.

You can arrange the browser looks by "Appearance"(Shift+F12) .. many options are there.

If you give more details, maybe can help.


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Originally Posted by Av_Crazy (Post 68343)
The settings il go through them again but they should keep the settings to a minimal like in chrome and firefox

Well, thats the way they are.. and have kept it that way. I think there are many settings, because as you can see above, Opera is highly customizable. I too found out about the bookmarks order setting today itself. I had never looked there.

So, for such high degree of customizability, I think many settings will be there. Can be quite confusing at first.

I feel they could make it a little better, maybe more organized... because I feel the settings are quite scattered.

Some users really swear by Opera. I appreciate its customizability, and other things, and I have tried to like Opera, but I just can't. I don't get the "feel" with it :D..

Anupam 04. Feb 2012 05:45 PM

Thanks deya.

Wow.. I would never have figured that out :D.

I had managed to get to Appearance, and toolbar, and managed to select the icon, but I just could not manage to move it elsewhere.

I had managed to turn if off altogether however, and then realized I cant access the menu anywhere :D.... don't ask how I managed to bring it back, because I don't remember :D.

BTW, the icon is not on top right, but on top left, atleast on my browser :p

deya 04. Feb 2012 05:54 PM

Sorry - can't tell my left from my right - I meant top left :)

Av_Crazy 04. Feb 2012 07:08 PM

Thanx deya for the opera icon walkthrough..now it looks like i want it
and thanx anupam for the bookmarks help - now they are shown how i want them to
il have to tinker the settings one by one to see how they work - that will take a lot of time !
also can u both plz tell me whch adblocker u use ?
and one last problem i have right now is the gap between the tab and top of my screen - how do i make that zer ?

deya 04. Feb 2012 07:40 PM

I use Opera AdBlock, works fine for me;
https://addons.opera.com/en/addons/e...52/?display=en

If you have a gap above the tabs, move your cursor above the address bar until you see the directional double arrow, hold your left mouse button and drag the browser up or down. You should be able to get the tabs right to the top of the screen.

Av_Crazy 05. Feb 2012 12:05 PM

Usign opera adblock right now
there is still gap between the tab and the top of screen
why dont they make opera like other browsers atleast in the look :mad:

one more problem - the folder in bookmark bar shows bookmark page and open all folder items first and den my bookmarks - any way to remove/hide these options ?

George.J 05. Feb 2012 12:07 PM

I don't use any Adblocker for Opera. I use Fanboy's adblock list (urlfilter.ini) with optimized element filters (to remove the white spaces). These are CSS filter rules.

Fanboy's Adblock List + Optimized Element Filters

Work's great and I don't have to install any specific add-on . :-)

George.J 05. Feb 2012 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Av_Crazy (Post 68420)
Usign opera adblock right now

why dont they make opera like other browsers atleast in the look :mad:

Opera is the browser that pioneers innovation. The current FF look (in the interface) was derived from Opera

Anupam 05. Feb 2012 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by George.J (Post 68423)
Opera is the browser that pioneers innovation. The current FF look (in the interface) was derived from Opera

Opera themselves got that idea from Chrome :rolleyes:

Anupam 05. Feb 2012 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Av_Crazy (Post 68420)
there is still gap between the tab and the top of screen

On my Opera, there is no gap between tab and top of screen.. by default. Maybe post a pic?


why dont they make opera like other browsers atleast in the look :mad:

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Originally Posted by Av_Crazy (Post 68420)
one more problem - the folder in bookmark bar shows bookmark page and open all folder items first and den my bookmarks - any way to remove/hide these options ?

Can't get this one too. Post a pic for this too?

George.J 05. Feb 2012 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Anupam (Post 68424)
Opera themselves got that idea from Chrome :rolleyes:

Ah, which part of the interface? Tabs on top? Well that's true.

George.J 05. Feb 2012 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by deya (Post 68351)
If you have a gap above the tabs, move your cursor above the address bar until you see the directional double arrow, hold your left mouse button and drag the browser up or down. You should be able to get the tabs right to the top of the screen.

Yeah that works, if there is space between the address bar and the menu. But Av_Crazy was mentioning about tabs at top and the screen. I don't have any space like Anupam, nor does Opera have in it's default installation

deya 05. Feb 2012 03:05 PM

I don't have a gap either, I use Opera Standard skin. Maybe try Opera Netbook skin, it works in 11.60; http://my.opera.com/community/custom.../info/?id=9261

If I load FF 10, then alternate between that and Opera, I don't see any difference in the gap at the top of the tabs. They look the same to me, although the gap under the menu icon is smaller in FF 10. Is that what you mean, Av?

Av_Crazy 06. Feb 2012 10:06 AM

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I agree they pioneer in invention but they should make their browser look like other browsers otherwise people coming from other browsers have problem like i am having

i was talking about the gap between the top of the tab and the top of the screen which is actually 1 pixel but i figured that out on google how to make that space o pixel [ change of value in opera:config ] and now it behaves like ff and chrome

secondly the bookmark problem i have attached the pic

Anupam 06. Feb 2012 11:03 AM

Wow.. you are very particular... aren't you :D.

I really wouldn't care about 1 pixel, but that's just me :p.

I think in Firefox too, the gap is about 1 pixel, and its not sticking to top of screen totally.

Well, I don't expect all browsers to look the same way, and behave the same way. After all, that's why they are different, because they have their own style, their own way. If there is no variety, people would be bored, and there won't be any fun. I think the browsers have a right to look different. Some people like it, some don't. But yes, basic features should remain same, so that users do not face much problems... unless they bring out something entirely new, which is better than what's existing.

About bookmarks problem, I don't think there is any way to change that.

Av_Crazy 08. Feb 2012 12:17 PM

Yes im particular :D
at first i was not happy that firefox too copied chrome in looks but now im haoppy...i can switch between them easily
u would care about that 1 pixel if u have too many tabs open and u have to click specifically on the tab to open it rather than on the top of the screen to open it
firefox doesnt have that 1 pixel gap

there are more problems with the bookmark bar
middle click doesnt open bookmark
then in ff and chrome if u have a folder in bookmark bar open and u move the mouse to another folder on the bb it opens up but in opera i have to click on that folder

i think il live with chrome !

Athletic 14. Feb 2012 09:59 PM

About gap between tabs and top:

opera:config # UserPrefs |ChromeIntegrationDragAreaMaximized

Set to 0 . No gap after that.

Av_Crazy 21. Feb 2012 05:28 PM

Had already done that but the qt is why is there a gap in the first place !

Sope 21. Feb 2012 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Av_Crazy (Post 69324)
the qt is why is there a gap in the first place !

Aesthetics ;)

Av_Crazy 21. Feb 2012 06:39 PM

How is this aesthetics ?!:confused: out of all the variety of browser this is done only by opera :rolleyes:

No wonder it hardly has any users :o

Sope 21. Feb 2012 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Av_Crazy (Post 69332)
How is this aesthetics ?!:confused: out of all the variety of browser this is done only by opera :rolleyes:

No wonder it hardly has any users :o

Aesthetics - A guiding principle in matters of artistic beauty and taste.

The world would be a very dull place if everything with the same purpose or function looked identical!

Av_Crazy 21. Feb 2012 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sope (Post 69333)
Aesthetics - A guiding principle in matters of artistic beauty and taste.

The world would be a very dull place if everything with the same purpose or function looked identical!

I agree to the second sentence but still dont get how is that 1 pixel aesthetics :confused:

rikishi19 21. Feb 2012 10:28 PM

I have to agree with AV_Crazy here. It doesn't bother me so much visually, but as an ease of use issue. When switching tabs my mouse will end up at the very top of the screen when selecting 90% of the time, and with Opera, clicking in this space will do absolutely nothing as I'm clicking in 'dead space'.

Sope 21. Feb 2012 11:15 PM

Ah, I understand now :o

I've never really noticed it myself, but now you mention it I can see where some people could find it an irritation. Maybe i've just got used to it without noticing, or maybe all the gaming I do has trained me to get the cursor precisely on the target for that all important head shot! :D

Anyway, looks like you found a fix.

George.J 22. Feb 2012 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Av_Crazy (Post 69332)
How is this aesthetics ?!:confused: out of all the variety of browser this is done only by opera :rolleyes:

No wonder it hardly has any users :o

If opearting systems weren't any different, we wouldn't have Linux, Mac OSX etc.
If I made a direct comparison b/w O.S's and Browsers, it would be like this

Mac OSX - Safari
Linux - Opera
Win XP - IE
Win 7 - Firefox, Chrome

As Sope, said we should learn to appreciate the aesthetics that's being provided. Even though Linux is a very good O.S, hardly any people even try to use it, or appreciate it. Hardly any people wish to try something different, once they do, they'll know that, they made the right step.

eyeb 22. Feb 2012 04:32 AM

i dont mind linux, but like with the mobile OS... app support drives the community, and linux just doesn't have the large application base as windows... even if all of them are duplicates of each other lol (aesthetics?)


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