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Old 29. Nov 2011, 10:02 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Hi Sope,

Appreciate your suggestion.
Tested Startpage / Ixquick Proxy with a few IP checkers and it appears to work.

Easy and beautifully simple for tech dummies like me to use.
But there's got to be a catch ?

Can you or other readers comment on the security / anononymity / search power of this combination ?

I used Ixquick about a year ago and found it produced far less results than the big browsers like Google.

If it now utilises Google power (without Google profiling ) it may now produce many more results.

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Old 29. Nov 2011, 01:19 PM   #12 (permalink)
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There's quite a long thread discussing alternative search engines here, including startpage, which may answer some of your questions.

As I said, if you just want to make yourself anonymous by hiding your IP address from websites you visit, then a proxy will get the job done relatively simply. If you're more worried from a security point of view e.g. on public networks etc. then you would need to look at VPN's.
Ultimately it all depends on what you're trying to protect or defend against, and from whom.

Regarding Startpage searches, the website states :-
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Startpage offers you Web search results from Google in complete privacy!

When you search with Startpage, we remove all identifying information from your query and submit it anonymously to Google ourselves. We get the results and return them to you in total privacy.

Your IP address is never recorded, your visit is not logged, and no tracking cookies are placed on your browser. When it comes to protecting your privacy, Startpage runs the tightest ship on the Internet. Our outstanding privacy policy and thoughtful engineering give you great search results in total anonymity.

Here are some of our key features:

Free proxy surfing available.
Praised by privacy experts worldwide.
Twelve-year company track record.
Third-party certified.
No IP address recorded.
No record is made of your searches.
No identifying or tracking cookies used.
Powerful SSL encryption available.
So basically you're getting the same results as Google would give you directly, but with added privacy benefits.
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Old 29. Nov 2011, 08:55 PM   #13 (permalink)
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So basically you're getting the same results as Google would give you directly, but with added privacy benefits.
not exactly the same result though... Just tested it

the results are simliar if you use search terms without numbers
IE using eyeb the results are almost the same
Searching eyeb1 and starts to vary and so on as you add more numbers eyeb12,eyeb123

it could be just my forum nick is the odd one out though

edit: tested with sope, sope1, sope12,sope123 and sope123 started throwing in nothing that google had
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Old 29. Nov 2011, 09:09 PM   #14 (permalink)
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not exactly the same result though... Just tested it
You're correct, results do seem to differ to varying degrees apparently bearing some relation to the complexity of the search terms. Guess it may be something to do with the removal of "identifying information"?
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Old 30. Nov 2011, 01:09 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Thanks Eyeb n Sope for your comments.

In my past experience with Ixquick, other small search engines there's a considerable difference in results against Google whether a single search word or phrase.

ie. Whale / the mating habits of hump back whale or ' he grabbed the gun '.
The more unusual the word or phrase the greater the difference.

As for Free Startpage with Ixquick Proxy - Google, I haven't had time to measure search efficacy. I truly hope its as good as Google.

If it really hides IP so simply it has great merit and value. They deserve reward.
Nothing's free. What's in it for them other than our browsing / address for commercial purposes.

ISPs maintain / provide client records to government and business.
Websites easily trace you down and do far worse if unprotected.
A loss of our basic right to privacy.
I've had same location and ISP for years. But if there is software that will give me back future privacy I want it.

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Old 30. Nov 2011, 12:26 PM   #16 (permalink)
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As for Free Startpage with Ixquick Proxy - Google, I haven't had time to measure search efficacy. I truly hope its as good as Google.
Of course there's nothing stopping you using Google via any one of a large number of proxy websites if you wish. However, no proxy is perfect and you're likely to experience noticably slower surfing and more broken or inaccessible websites when you using one.


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Nothing's free. What's in it for them other than our browsing / address for commercial purposes.

ISPs maintain / provide client records to government and business.
Websites easily trace you down and do far worse if unprotected.
A loss of our basic right to privacy.
I've had same location and ISP for years. But if there is software that will give me back future privacy I want it.
It's very easy to become paranoid about being watched or traced when using the internet and in some cases with good cause. Ultimately though, you have to find a comfortable balance between the amount of effort and inconvenience you put yourself too, and the level of protection / privacy you actually require, or wish to achieve.

IMO keeping your PC clean of malware and keeping your passwords secure should be your main priorities, along with the application of common sense, when it comes to effective online security. In most cases, maintaining true anonymity and hiding all trace of your internet activity is of less practical benefit, far more difficult and complex, and would involve a lot more than merely hiding your IP address.
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Old 04. Dec 2011, 03:18 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Thanks Sope.
Understand your comments. Its not a matter of being paranoid.
We have lost so much of our personal rights and privacy.

You pay your Telecom and Postal Service to transmit your conversation n letters.
They don't have the right to listen to, record or profile your remarks / destinations or read your mail without federal order, or to sell that private info.
Same should apply for our ISPs.


I assume hiding I.P. prevents websites sending maleware, unwanted ads, recording private ID, profiling etc and ISPs from recording visited sites n profiling. Both selling to anyone willing to pay for it.

If Startpage does all this, what are added benefits from other anonymisers ?
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Sorry B. Any tool can protect your rights or privacy, instead I could say, the number of protection tools that really works is crushed by the number of sample codes within other software that violate what you're trying to protect. Sometimes, there's no need to hack anything to steal or sniff through a computer. This is a digital era, we learn from it, we make use of what is available, we consume it, we grow through it, but we not manage it. Protecting your photos , credit card numbers, etc from hackers, it's easy; protecting your rights is impossible.
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Old 07. Dec 2011, 05:40 AM   #19 (permalink)
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4goTTen21,

Sadly, you're correct.
Protecting our rights and personal freedoms ( despite the Constitutions of supposed democracies ) is ultra difficult if not impossible.
Ironically, western countries sacrifice their citizens lives and trillions of dollars to bring democracy and freedom to those with no concept, desire or appreciation for it.

So many have the ability and intention to violate our privacy and security. I don't think we should passively surrender. Its not being paranoid. If we resist, at least it slows them down.

Computer users are discovering that no matter what security software is installed on their computers they are still at risk via IP, ISPs. Every word, every search, thus their thoughts or actions is potentially in the public domain of the entire world.

Refer you to todays thread in 'Internet, Web Aps etc.' DuckDuckGo, Ixquick.
Rizar ( surely more expert than I ) Just one of many ( and growing ) on net forums these days.
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Hi B Carson,

Not sure what your needs are but you may be interested in:

Ubuntu Privacy Remix "The goal of Ubuntu Privacy Remix is to provide an isolated working environment where sensitive data can be dealt with safely. The system installed on the computer running UPR remains untouched, UPR is not intended for permanent installation on hard disk" https://www.privacy-cd.org/en

or quantOS which "is a hardened Linux distribution, based on Linux Mint 11, for secure daily use as a desktop operating system.
quantOS leverages AppArmor application security profiles, Arkose Desktop Application Sandboxing and Vidalia for creating secure Tor connections to enhance online privacy." http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Syste...OS-70412.shtml

Hope this are of interest?
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