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Old 12. Apr 2011, 03:49 PM   #21 (permalink)
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...One thing I did notice is that running the CCleaner registry cleaner after each install I'm seeing lots of Missing Shared DLL and Installer Reference Issues - 70 in all, some of you might want to check that. I just cleaned them out with no problem - but that was my choice - so it's up the individual how they use cleaners. I just thought to point it out.
I too have just noticed the aforementioned when running CCleaner, very strange but not sure whether to bother cleaning the registry for obvious reasons!
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Old 12. Apr 2011, 03:56 PM   #22 (permalink)
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In the TL program files there are two folders - av32bit2011_3888 and av32bit2011_3887. Inside each folder is another folder, 'Plugins', both are just over 283MB in size. Disc space isn't an issue for me but it might be for others. I'm wondering if, as TL develops, these files might be cleaned out with each program update, reducing the size. It just seems to be a huge amount of data stored.

There's a section in the BitDefender forum about TL here. The main queries are about certificate issues but there doesn't seem to be much in the way of a response so far.
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This is the response I received from BitDefender. I was particularly interested in a comparison with Trend Micro Browser Guard, although I appreciate this only supports IE.

These are the main features of TMBG followed by BDTL’s response to them:

1. Protects against zero day exploits : - there is no protection offer for this kind of exploits, TrafficLight uses the current AV-engines for scanning traffic that reaches the browser.
2. Detects buffer-overflow and heap-spray attacks : - also as the first one, no protection on this kind of threats yet.
3. Protects against execution of shell code : - we offer this kind of protection with the current scanning routine provided by the BitDefender AV engines
4. Analyzes and protects against malicious JavaScript : - same as above we analyze the traffic that reaches the browser, if there is a malicious Javascript then it will be blocked.

So, based on this, users of IE might be better protected with TMBG (at least for now)

According to how I read this though, for users of Firefox NoScript would be redundant.

The answer to the “free” question was a bit more ambiguous but I guess only to be expected. I personally think they will keep this as a free tool.

"The whole idea of the project was to create a free tool which offers little bit more protection from other services which rely only on cloud based information and from where we are right now the product remains free with the current set of features.

But as in every enterprise this may change for the future".
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Old 12. Apr 2011, 07:01 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Have decided I can live without this software and have therefore, uninstalled all 609 MB of it from my LT.

Not so much as goodbye but rather au revoir!
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Old 12. Apr 2011, 07:02 PM   #25 (permalink)
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... in order to see the Traffic light display for each (most) page I needed to allow scripts globally.
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Not good news, defeats the purpose of running NoScript.

@deya and garth about size on HD.
Since the BitDefender AV engines are mentioned, could you check if anything else related to it get installed in user paths?
If you add up all the HD space used by all your security apps (program & user paths), it may become an issue.

The question about it being free when out of beta was also asked over at Wilders but I couldn't find the reply to it.

The more I read about it, the more I feel like waiting for the final release.

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Old 12. Apr 2011, 07:35 PM   #26 (permalink)
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So am I right in thinking that, reading the reply from BitDefender, TL is basically just providing safe search results and stopping malicious scripts from running, but not much else at the moment? I don't use NoScript anyway, so TL must be giving me more protection. Maybe I'm reading that wrong?

I uninstalled TL using the built in uninstaller, reboot required, then cleaned up the leftovers with CCleaner, I then re installed it. The initial install was 39MB. Opened the browser and TL began to update, it was the English version, took a while to update but when it finished it had changed to French again.... ?? Checked the install size, up to 321MB. Apart from the language issue, which doesn't bother me, everything was running fine as before.

After about an hour I noticed a slow down in page loading, opened task manager and bsserv.exe was at 65 per cent CPU and memory was running at 280.500k. This lasted for quite a while then everything dropped suddenly, back to normal. Checked the install size again and it was now 605MB. So I'm wondering if this is the final size, or will it do the same tomorrow or whenever and increase in size again?

From how it was early this morning, problems with Opera etc, it's definitely running much better now. TL isn't perfect but it hasn't caused me any real problems, I'm not seeing much of a slow down, if any at all. The fact that it works in several different browsers is the big plus for me, and also that TL can be switched on and off as required.

I read somewhere that the final version isn't due until the summer but I'm going to keep using it and see where it goes, although I've not had it block anything as yet, or show a red warning in the search results. But they're obviously going to keep improving it and I reckon the more feedback they get the better it is for them - and I hope it remains free.
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@deya and garth about size on HD.
Since the BitDefender AV engines are mentioned, could you check if anything else related to it get installed in user paths?
If you add up all the HD space used by all your security apps (program & user paths), it may become an issue.
I dunno i stopped the update and uninstalled it when it got to 100 or so meg. It's not an issue with hard drive space, i have plenty of that, i just don't want to hammer my mobile broadband allowance for a program i don't really need.
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Old 13. Apr 2011, 10:26 AM   #28 (permalink)
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That's a good point, garth. It's a big download if you're on a limited package. I have unlimited download plus plenty of disc space so it's not an issue here, but I still feel a little uncomfortable about having something the size of TL installed because I always try to avoid bloated stuff. But I'm prepared to keep using TL for a while longer just to see how it goes.

@ 26Dolphins - I've looked around but can't seem to find anything else, the program files are 605MB. TL updated this morning so I checked again, it hasn't grown in size, but it only updated one of the two plugin folders so I'll try and keep checking during the day.
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Old 13. Apr 2011, 05:42 PM   #29 (permalink)
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I've had to remove TL from my system. I ran CCleaner again today and found more Missing Shared DLL stuff when I ran the registry cleaner, 31 in all. I don't mind running CCleaner once in a while to clear leftover rubbish from browsers and apps etc, or using the registry cleaner from time to time, but not on a near daily basis.

Today I also experienced a problem with Windows Update, something I never have. I noticed the 'shield' in the task bar trying to download updates, then it disappeared. I knew there were updates due for me today so I opened Windows Update via IE from the start menu, it wouldn't work. So, out of curiousity, and just in case it was something I'd done, I did a system restore. Same thing again, on reboot the 'shield' showed downloading updates, then vanished again. Tried WU via IE again, it still wouldn't work.

At that point I decided to remove TL from the machine, it was all too much of a coincidence for me. Used Revo, advanced, completely romoved TL, rebooted. The 'shield' appeared again at start up, but this time it downloaded my Windows updates (15 of them) and then installed them all, same it always does, no problem. Rebooted again, ran CCleaner, tons more TL leftovers, cleaned them out. Just to be sure I opened WU via IE from the start menu again and it worked perfect. Everything back to normal.

So the only conclusion I can draw from that is that in some way TL was responsible - could be wrong, but I don't think so. The other machines here downloaded and installed the Windows updates, except the one with TL installed. Any thoughts anyone?

During the morning, before the update saga, I continued to grow a little uneasy about the size of the TL program files and also what garth had mentioned about the size of data downloads. I watched it as closely as time would allow this morning and TL seemed to update every hour, it re numbered and updated one plugin folder at a time and the install size remained at 605MB. But after one update I did notice a slow down in browsing speed, a couple of sites wouldn't load and there was also high resource useage. Then later on came the WU issue ... so.

It's a real shame, I really like the idea of TL and hope it keeps improving. I'll continue to try it now and then, but only in virtual while it's in Beta. It's been interesting, for me, trying it out but I'll stick with Norton DNS and WOT for now.
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Thanks again for the concentrated info and yes a real shame. Part says we should expect this from beta software but the size and nature of things which appear to be connected are certainly enough concern not to recommend this yet for general use.
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