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Old 01. Jan 2011, 11:02 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Opera is fast.
I just installed it on my Ubuntu OS. I have to admit though it would take some getting used too. I especially like the E- mail integration. Although it looks to be a quality browser I just cant let my Firefox go with even if it does just chug along.
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Old 02. Jan 2011, 06:38 PM   #72 (permalink)
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Hi,

I had tried out Opera a long time ago and the lack of add-ons was a bit of a turn off for me.
Decided to give it another go with Opera 11. It comes with an option to "install" it as portable - very convenient. It also has an integrated torrents downloader which works with very decent speeds - also very convenient.
What I didn't like is that it imported all my Firefox bookmarks without asking or telling me about.

I'm really trying to like it, but I can't help feeling like wdhpr: it's going to take a lot of getting used to and even after that, I don't think I'm going to dismiss Firefox.

I don't know, maybe I fall under "you can't teach an old dog new tricks"?
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Old 03. Jan 2011, 12:01 AM   #73 (permalink)
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Hi have been using Opera browser now for a few years, and yes I am a old dog. I Agree there is so much to get used too and I still find myself tinkering with some of the stuff that is under the bonnet, but what a joy to have such a customizable browser that works. Opera has some great forums and blogs which can be so helpful with finding your way around this browser. I also agree that it is taking liberty's not asking if you want your bookmarks saved. I know we can get very attached to browsers that we have been with for some time, I am one of those people. IMHO I think Opera is a fantastic browser and is going from strength to strength it is a joy to use once you get used to it, but I do appreciate that we all have our own views and preferences when it comes to browsers. Happy Days
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Old 03. Jan 2011, 06:16 AM   #74 (permalink)
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I had tried out Opera a long time ago and the lack of add-ons was a bit of a turn off for me.
Decided to give it another go with Opera 11. It comes with an option to "install" it as portable - very convenient. It also has an integrated torrents downloader which works with very decent speeds - also very convenient.
What I didn't like is that it imported all my Firefox bookmarks without asking or telling me about.

I'm really trying to like it, but I can't help feeling like wdhpr: it's going to take a lot of getting used to and even after that, I don't think I'm going to dismiss Firefox.

I don't know, maybe I fall under "you can't teach an old dog new tricks"?
I think that most of us have got used to Firefox's interface and addons. I too have tried Opera and yes, things have changed for the better. However, I'm not ditching Firefox yet...
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Old 03. Jan 2011, 11:03 PM   #75 (permalink)
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For me, it's not just the interface or add-ons.
A simple example. I always set my home page to a blank one. In Firefox, I have new tabs set to open to a blank one also, unless I directly open a bookmark.
I could not find a way to do that in Opera, as every new tab opens with this "Speed Dial" thingy, which probably isn't a bad thing on its own but comes with some predefined choices .
This "Speed Dial" reminded me of the Bookmark Toolbar in Firefox; since Opera took the initiative to import my bookmarks, I thought I could use the "Speed Dial" as a replacement of the Bookmark Tollbar. Guess what, if you right-click on a box and choose Edit, you are offered non-useful options, imho, and no access to the content of the Bookmark Toolbar (though it got imported along with the rest of my bookmarks). I can only access its content through "Manage Bookmarks" and add them manually, one by one.
Do I understand it correctly that any webpage in "Speed Dial" gets sort of "preloaded" for instant access?

There's also "Bookmark Bar" (that's actually Firefox Bookmark Toolbar). It took a while to figure out how to change its content, which was not all that smooth, as it your first entry ends up as last in the Bar. Not to mention that you can't call it up/ hide it through right-click on the "Menu Bar" space - at least I haven't found a way.

It also has limited columns and sorting options for your bookmarks. Or does something escape me?

As for the add-ons, "Tools" has the most add-ons listed. Yet among them you find add-ons like "whatsmyip" or "up for everyone", stuff you can easily do through certain sites (site you could add to Speed Dial or Bookmark Bar) without the need of an extension.
The category with the 2nd most add-ons available is "Social", that maybe says something about the target-group of this browser.
Of course it's still very early, so I'll wait and see how this goes.

Like I said, I'm trying hard to like it, but it's going to take a lot of getting used to and quite some time to explore/ understand everything and adjust as much as possible to my liking.

I could also use some help from an experienced user.
I'm using a rather dark skin which makes the default black font in tabs and in the Bookmark Bar hard to read. Anyone knows how to change the color of fonts?

Thanks.
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Old 04. Jan 2011, 08:55 AM   #76 (permalink)
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u can hide the speed dial
press configure speed dial and at the bottom tick speed dial and den u will get blank page

and bookmarks bar of opera is crap compared to chrome and ff
and addons have a long way to go to get attention
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For me, it's not just the interface or add-ons.
A simple example. I always set my home page to a blank one. In Firefox, I have new tabs set to open to a blank one also, unless I directly open a bookmark.
I could not find a way to do that in Opera, as every new tab opens with this "Speed Dial" thingy,
As AV_Crazy says, to get a blank page you can disable Speed Dial by clicking on "Configure Speed Dial" button (at bottom RH corner of Speed Dial - note this button may not be easily visible with some dark skins applied) and ticking the box "Hide Speed Dial"

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"Speed Dial" thingy, which probably isn't a bad thing on its own but comes with some predefined choices .
I personally don't see the point in disabling Speed dial though, it is in itself a blank tab with just some nice convenient bookmarks easily accessible (instead of having to use a bookmarks toolbar). If you don't like the predefined choices (neither do I), just right-click them and select clear. (Same goes for the predefined searches).

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This "Speed Dial" reminded me of the Bookmark Toolbar in Firefox; since Opera took the initiative to import my bookmarks, I thought I could use the "Speed Dial" as a replacement of the Bookmark Tollbar. Guess what, if you right-click on a box and choose Edit, you are offered non-useful options, imho, and no access to the content of the Bookmark Toolbar (though it got imported along with the rest of my bookmarks). I can only access its content through "Manage Bookmarks" and add them manually, one by one.
Easiest way I find to add Speed Dial links is to have the page I want to use open in a tab, then open a new Speed Dial tab, right-click, edit, and choose it from the list subtitled "open pages".

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Do I understand it correctly that any webpage in "Speed Dial" gets sort of "preloaded" for instant access?
No, it will still load as usual when you click on one (presumably to get the current version of that page). The Speed dials do update themselves on a regular basis by default but the frequency can be customized or indeed switched off (my preferred choice).

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There's also "Bookmark Bar" (that's actually Firefox Bookmark Toolbar). It took a while to figure out how to change its content, which was not all that smooth, as it your first entry ends up as last in the Bar. Not to mention that you can't call it up/ hide it through right-click on the "Menu Bar" space - at least I haven't found a way.

It also has limited columns and sorting options for your bookmarks. Or does something escape me?
The bookmarks management in Opera does feel a little clumsy but you do get accustomed to it in time.
Personally I don't use it much, once you have bookmarks numbered in their hundreds I find it easier to rely on Opera's inbuilt search to suggest matches from my bookmarks by just typing the key words in the address bar.
When I save a bookmark I usually add a number of relevant keywords to the description to increase the chances of a match.

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As for the add-ons, "Tools" has the most add-ons listed. Yet among them you find add-ons like "whatsmyip" or "up for everyone", stuff you can easily do through certain sites (site you could add to Speed Dial or Bookmark Bar) without the need of an extension.
The category with the 2nd most add-ons available is "Social", that maybe says something about the target-group of this browser.
Of course it's still very early, so I'll wait and see how this goes.
I would say the types of extensions available are not really determined by Opera, but by third parties who feel the need to create them. Same goes for Firefox and Chrome really. Content, quality and usability are bound to vary.
All these browsers have their share of "social networking" extensions as that's what's widely thought to be important or indeed lucrative by a large number of the internet community (sadly )
Having used Opera for a number of years I currently only have two extensions installed in Opera 11 and I don't really need those!

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Like I said, I'm trying hard to like it, but it's going to take a lot of getting used to and quite some time to explore/ understand everything and adjust as much as possible to my liking.
Opera has been my default browser for a long time but I do use/try others occasionally. I've had similar frustrations as you, trying to make Firefox feel more familiar i.e. like my Opera setup. If they were all exactly the same there would be no point in having the choice. Everyone's needs are slightly different so just choose what feels best for you. I'm sure that given time most would adapt to using any of the major browsers efficiently enough if they were forced to use only one, or indeed insisted on using only one for whatever reason.

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I could also use some help from an experienced user.
I'm using a rather dark skin which makes the default black font in tabs and in the Bookmark Bar hard to read. Anyone knows how to change the color of fonts?
Can't help you on that one. I find the easiest way to fix things like that is to choose a different skin!


[Edit: Wow, at first glance this looks like a huge rant style post but it's not....honest!]

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[Edit: Wow, at first glance this looks like a huge rant style post but it's not....honest!]
Don't worry, it didn't feel like a rant, quite the opposite, thanks for the informative reply. You do sound like you know your way around with Opera and I was expecting to find a solution to the fonts issue, but it's ok . My main reason for using a dark skin is to relief the strain from my eyes (not to mention that you don't have that many choices with Opera skins right now).

I managed to figure out the other stuff - and yes, that "Configure Speed Dial" link is hard to spot with a dark skin applied.
Thanks for going into all the trouble of pointing me to the right direction - you too AV_Crazy.

I keep my bookmarks organized in folders & subfolders, which in turn are sorted according to priority/ frequency of use. I find it convenient to open them in a seperate window or tab and scroll through them - sort of using a file manager. Opera's limitations don't help with this.

I totally agree with you on extensions, especially the sadly part. I do admit it's not fair to compare to Firefox as it's something very new to Opera. But the points you make are the ones that make me a bit wary about what's to come and most importantly when.
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... If they were all exactly the same there would be no point in having the choice. Everyone's needs are slightly different so just choose what feels best for you....
I don't want them to be or look exactly the same, I'd appreciate it if choices were offered to achieve the same/ similar functionality in areas one deems important. For instance, I could use a good cookie manager which would allow me to configure/ change settings without going through menus, waiting for pop-ups to be answered or having to end sessions.
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... I'm sure that given time most would adapt to using any of the major browsers efficiently enough if they were forced to use only one, or indeed insisted on using only one for whatever reason...
Of course they will, most of people were totally contended with lousy and insecure browsers like IE5/ IE6 for years - some still are .

Thanks again for your time and efford, Sope. I won't give up on Opera, at least not yet.
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Old 04. Jan 2011, 10:55 PM   #79 (permalink)
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SeaMonkey is still my default, old habits are hard to break I think. But I'm finding myself using Opera 11 more now, and I don't think it will be long before the switch is made.

It's interesting to read this thread, lots of differing opinions and questions. As far as add ons are concerned, and what 26Dolphins has said about the target audience, I have a theory about that. If you look at the countries where Opera is most popular you'll see they're mainly eastern European - Russia, Ukraine, Georgia, Belarus etc. And the people who use the internet the most in those countries are the young ones, by far, and not the older end.

I don't know why it is that Opera is so popular in those countries but it does have a huge following. My theory is that it's mainly young people who drive this browser forward, which could explain why there are so many social type add ons.

So to put my theory to the test I installed Opera 11 on four laptops here over the holidays, all used by youngsters who have been used to nothing but FF and Chrome. Each one of them agreed to try it, and now they all love it and are using it as default. It was being able for them to use WOT that made me decide to try it out, even so, the result surprised me.

They like the speed of the browser, the download speeds, even the speed dial, and the fact that it gives you more page viewing space on a smaller screen. They like trying different add ons without having to restart [as compared to FF] the built in mouse gestures, the page zoom feature - and they like the Facebook stuff. None of them have changed the skin, they all prefer the standard one. None of them are interested in Opera Unite though.

They say it has a more 'modern' feel to it. These are their opinions, not mine. But all four of them have switched and won't go back to what they used before. It was just a small experiment but the results were interesting [to me] so I put Opera on my wife's laptop and got the same result. The only problem she had was with an online banking account so she used FF for that, other than that it's Opera she's using all the time now - which kind of knocks my theory a bit because she's not so young

For me it's just another very good browser, although I find it a lot lighter and snappier and I'm even a using a few more add ons than I do with others, seven in all. I've read a few negative comments here and there but I haven't had any issues with it.

Change takes time, and Opera have made quite a few with this version. I think going with add ons was a bold decision, even though they're only in their infancy, but from what I've seen here it's paying off for them, in fact, during the time it's taken me to type this I've talked myself into setting it to default - can't see a reason not to.
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Interesting to hear about your experiment.

I guess I'm not classed as "young", but I feel the same as your guinea pigs, certainly regarding being happy with the current default skin (though I have used alternatives with earlier versions). I also have no interest in the Unite feature.
A big plus for me is the built-in email client though.

Like your wife has experienced, I do get some minor problems with one online banking site and also when paying for eBay items via PayPal. I tend to use Firefox on these occasions.


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I guess there may well be an answer to your skin font colour problems somewhere on the web, if I come across anything potentially useful I'll let you know.
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