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Old 19. Aug 2010, 08:25 PM   #41 (permalink)
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@SurfCanyon, .. I have a few questions regarding the search engine.

1) Am I right in thinking that the search engine filters out all the WOT red rated links from the search results? .. I've still yet to come across a red icon.
Yes, you are correct. There are checkboxes at the top of the page that you may toggle should you wish to see the results with a red icon.

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2) Can you explain the reason why the search engine performs differently [in showing the WOT icons] with browsers using the Trident engine? .. IE, Spleipnir, Maxthon etc.
We're going to have to get back to you on this one.

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3) Does the search engine work just the same for those who prefer not to use add-ons or plug-ins in their browser? .. obviously apart from blocking sites.
Our search engine, located at http://wot.surfcanyon.com/, is completely independent from the add-on. Our add-on, located at http://www.surfcanyon.com/extension.jsp, is required only if you'd like to see our product - real-time personalized search - directly on top of Google, Bing and Yahoo! when you're searching on one of those engines.

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4) Is your partnership with WOT and ongoing thing, and will the joint search engine be developed any further?
The people at WOT are fantastic and we certainly hope to be able to continue to work with them for a long time. As far as development is concerned, we're constantly working on new ways to improve our search engine, whether that be back-end algorithmic changes to enhance relevancy or front-end UI features. Should anyone have any suggestions, we'd love to hear them.

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I've done a bit of reading up on the concept of Surf Canyon search and I'm using it more now, it does bring up some great search results. But the thing that will concern the people who read and use this website and forum more is can it be trusted in the same way as they trust their search results with the WOT add-on?
If you're interested in reading about the technical details regarding what we're doing, I'd invite you to take a look at http://blog.surfcanyon.com/2008/12/0...nology-part-2/. There's also a link to our research paper, which was published by SIGIR this year, if you're extremely motivated.

"Trust" can mean a whole host of different things, so if you wouldn't mind clarify what you mean by that I'd appreciate it. Naturally, we believe that no one should have any problem trusting our search results, but we want to make sure that we do everything we can in that regard.

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On a personal note, for me to be able to view the WOT ratings in browsers that don't support the add-on is really good, and very useful. So thanks for that, I'm glad I came across the search engine .. [eventually]
Fantastic! We're thrilled to be of service.
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Old 19. Aug 2010, 10:35 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Thanks for answering the questions, it's much appreciated.

The reason I asked if your partnership with WOT would continue is because I used a search engine similar to this in the past, Scandoo, but it fell by the wayside and is now no longer available at all. I found it useful to use with browsers that didn't support add-ons and I've been hoping that someone would come up with an alternative to that, you have, and it's better. So I'm just hoping your search engine will be available without the need for add-ons in the future.

Trust. What I meant by that was the WOT ratings, I wasn't referring to the search results themselves being trusted. People are used to using WOT, but with the add-on. So I just wanted you to clarify that this search engine works in the same way in rating safe sites as the WOT add-on does .. not to clarify it for everyone, but for anyone who might be reading this and maybe wasn't too sure, making them a little reluctant to use it.

I actually think this search engine is better because it's filtering out the nasty stuff to begin with, it takes away the option to click on anything that WOT rates as a red site, plus you get more in depth search results. So for anyone, say for instance, who has youngsters using the PC it provides another little layer of extra security, they can't click on anything that may be malicious if it isn't there, and I'm all for that.

That's the point I've been trying to get at all along, it's not just about some of us being able to use various browsers with no WOT support more safely with this search engine, although it's extremely useful for that. But it's more about others being able to filter out content from their searches, no matter which browser they use, kind of like you can with a parental filter. At least, that's the way I see it so I reckon you're providing a good service here.

Thanks again for taking the time to respond.

Cheers.
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Old 19. Aug 2010, 10:51 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Thanks for answering the questions, it's much appreciated.
It's my pleasure!

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The reason I asked if your partnership with WOT would continue is because I used a search engine similar to this in the past, Scandoo, but it fell by the wayside and is now no longer available at all. I found it useful to use with browsers that didn't support add-ons and I've been hoping that someone would come up with an alternative to that, you have, and it's better. So I'm just hoping your search engine will be available without the need for add-ons in the future.
The search engine will always be available without the need for an add-on. In fact, that's why we built it in the first place.

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Trust. What I meant by that was the WOT ratings, I wasn't referring to the search results themselves being trusted. People are used to using WOT, but with the add-on. So I just wanted you to clarify that this search engine works in the same way in rating safe sites as the WOT add-on does .. not to clarify it for everyone, but for anyone who might be reading this and maybe wasn't too sure, making them a little reluctant to use it.
I now understand. The WOT ratings that you see on the search engine are exactly the same as those provided by the WOT add-on. We're using WOT's API (i.e. their database) to provide the service.

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I actually think this search engine is better because it's filtering out the nasty stuff to begin with, it takes away the option to click on anything that WOT rates as a red site, plus you get more in depth search results. So for anyone, say for instance, who has youngsters using the PC it provides another little layer of extra security, they can't click on anything that may be malicious if it isn't there, and I'm all for that.
That's truly wonderful to hear! We've put 4 1/2 years into the effort, so we're gratified to hear that you're enjoying the fruits of our labors.
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Old 20. Aug 2010, 03:46 AM   #44 (permalink)
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... So two questions:

1) What would you think of using Yahoo!?
2) What would you think if we enabled users to select (perhaps via URL parameter) the underlying search engine that they wanted to use?
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Hi! I'd like option 2.

After I made my post asking about Google, I wondered if it was relevant. To clarify my doubt, why do Bing, Yahoo!, or Google even come into the picture if Surfcanyon has its own algorithm?
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Old 21. Aug 2010, 06:15 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Hi! I'd like option 2.

After I made my post asking about Google, I wondered if it was relevant. To clarify my doubt, why do Bing, Yahoo!, or Google even come into the picture if Surfcanyon has its own algorithm?
We'll look into #2 and if we get something we'll post it here.

Surf Canyon has it's own algorithm for re-ranking search results, but not for ranking them in the first place. We don't crawl or index the internet, so we need to rely on an underlying search engine to provide the initial set of results. It's for this reason that we go to the big search engines.

If you're motivated to learn about the nitty-gritty of what we're doing, I'd invite you to check out http://blog.surfcanyon.com/2008/12/0...nology-part-2/.

Please let me know if there's anything else we may do to help.
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I've asked ako if he wants to include WOT - SurfCanyon in his now [very] famous list
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Old 22. Aug 2010, 04:26 AM   #47 (permalink)
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Surf Canyon has it's own algorithm for re-ranking search results, but not for ranking them in the first place...
Okay! Makes perfect sense and thanks for the link .
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I've asked ako if he wants to include WOT - SurfCanyon in his now [very] famous list
....which he's now done

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