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Old 17. Jul 2010, 09:16 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Although I like the browser, I haven't used it much, because of the side panel. That is an obstruction to me, because of the space it takes.

Also, Firefox 4.0 is due to release soon. So, as soon as it comes out, I will be definitely rushing towards it. Looking at the positive response of Firefox 4.0 beta, I don't think I would want to change to other browser. It would be interesting to see if Epic changes its design to meet the new Firefox 4.0 design. It has to, otherwise people would go for the original, better and revamped Firefox. Epic might become my secondary browser though.
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Old 17. Jul 2010, 10:00 AM   #22 (permalink)
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It would be interesting to see if Epic changes its design to meet the new Firefox 4.0 design. It has to, otherwise people would go for the original, better and revamped Firefox. Epic might become my secondary browser though.
There's the opposite view to this too in that I see quite a lot of comments from users not liking the new V4 FF layout. These could well be tempted to move to another browser which retains the old style.

I did install Epic myself yesterday and like you found the side panel a complete annoyance. I exterminated all of the buttons which it was possible to remove but still wasn't happy with the "look" that was left. I also don't like personas, preferring a choice from the full skins, and my favorite doesn't load.

Currently I'm still enjoying the Lunascape experience, and I still can't make it crash
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Old 17. Jul 2010, 04:55 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Yes MC, quite true. Many people may not like the new design of Firefox. Personally, I too do not like Firefox following the Chrome design. I feel if they had to change, they should have come up with a design of their own. But well, if they have decided to change, nothing can be done much about it. Only thing is to accept the change. Yea, it may so happen that many people would not want to change to the new Firefox. Some may decide to stick with the version of 3.6.6, or people may go for Firefox based browser, which have still got the old look.

I like both personas, and the full themes. Personas is quite easy to apply, although, if you want to preview the theme first, it takes sometime for the persona theme to load. When I open Epic Browser, it takes a lot of time for the persona to load. I wish the loading time should improve. Epic Browser takes a really long to time the first time. It takes longer than Firefox. The subsequent start-ups are also slow, whereas Firefox opens almost instantaneously, after the first start.

There are so many choices available in terms of browsers today. Everyone has their favorite, and its good . I am glad you are liking LunaScape... you have been following that browser from very early stages.

Epic Browser was featured today in a Hindi newspaper.
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Old 17. Jul 2010, 07:45 PM   #24 (permalink)
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About the Flash LSO deletion, I haven't checked if it really works, because I don't know in which folder these LSO files get stored. But, it might be working. Its not configurable though...
The LSO cookies are stored in Application Data in the user's profile under the "Macromedia" folder.
If it's not configurable, it probably won't let you clear the settings.sol one (the one with your default settings of the Flash Player), so Adobe will keep some info stored about you all the time. You could still kill it with an external app like CCleaner.

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...When I open Epic Browser, it takes a lot of time for the persona to load. I wish the loading time should improve. Epic Browser takes a really long to time the first time. It takes longer than Firefox. The subsequent start-ups are also slow, whereas Firefox opens almost instantaneously, after the first start.
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That smells trouble for Epic. The thing users most often complain about is it's start-up time.

As for the new look of Firefox, as long as users can find ways to retain some (if not all) of the old look, in any case make it look more to their liking, I don't think that Firefox will lose its followers.
Though I agree with you, they should have gone their own path - but then again, maybe they're aiming towards winning over some % of the Chrome user base.

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Old 17. Jul 2010, 08:14 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Thanks 26Dolphins for the location of Flash LSO. I will try to find about that. Even if it did delete those LSO, and the .sol files, I think it will be the ones generated by Epic. I don't think it will clear all files there, made by other browsers, because that would be interference. I will have to run Epic single, and then see what effect the deletion of LSO has on that folder. I hope there is no other location where these LSO files are kept.

I will also watch it to see if these files get cleaned with CCleaner, and BleachBit.

Yes, certainly the Firefox move is to gain over Chrome, otherwise they would have kept with the original look. Its one thing I did not want Firefox to do. Opera had done that before Firefox.
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...Even if it did delete those LSO, and the .sol files, I think it will be the ones generated by Epic. I don't think it will clear all files there, made by other browsers, because that would be interference. I will have to run Epic single, and then see what effect the deletion of LSO has on that folder. I hope there is no other location where these LSO files are kept.
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There's only one .sol file as you install Flash Player once and it gets detected by all browsers using the Flash Player. The .sol file stores the settings of the Flash Player configured with the Settings Manager:
http://macromedia.com/support/docume...s_manager.html.
The .sol file is stored in a subfolder in "Macromedia". All other individual LSO cookies get stored in different subfolders, build by the sites that generated them. When you wipe the cookies out, either the folders get deleted with them (that's what Better Privacy does in Firefox) or they'll be empty afterwards - not a very thorough job.
The .sol file is generated every time Flash Player kicks in.

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I will also watch it to see if these files get cleaned with CCleaner, and BleachBit.
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You have to configure CCleaner to kill it in Options>Include, it doesn't by default. I don't know about BleachBit, haven't use it.

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... Opera had done that before Firefox.
So, did Opera benefit from that change? How many Chrome users did it win over and was it worth?
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Old 17. Jul 2010, 10:08 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Opening of new tab by pressing mmb or right click open new tab didnt work
but after u restarted d browser it started to work :O
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Old 19. Jul 2010, 07:08 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Opening of new tab by pressing mmb or right click open new tab didnt work
but after u restarted d browser it started to work :O
What is mmb?
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Old 19. Jul 2010, 07:36 AM   #29 (permalink)
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I looked into the Flash LSO issue. Here are my observations.

The Macromedia flash player folder is located on my PC at :

C:\Documents and Settings\UserName\Application Data\Macromedia\Flash Player

There are 3 folders here : #Security, #SharedObjects, macromedia.com

The settings of flash player for different sites get stored in SharedObjects, and macromedia folder. In SharedObjects a random folder name is generated and inside this the files get stored with different folders being created for different sites.

Same is for macromedia folder. In macromedia folder, the files and folders get stored in support/flashplayer/sys folder. It also contains a settings.sol file, which is the global setting for flash player, I think, as told by 26Dolphins.

Now, when I clear private data from Firefox, no files and folders are not affected.

When I run CCleaner, the files and folders containing the different .sol files get deleted. The random folder in SharedObjects does not get deleted. It becomes empty though. The files and folders from macromedia folder also get deleted, but the settings.sol file is left.

When I clean with BleachBit, it deletes the files and folders... and along with this, it also deletes the random folder, as well as the settings.sol file from the macromedia folder. So BleachBit deletes the settings.sol file, which is left by CCleaner.

Now for Epic Browser. When I clear private data by Epic Browser, checking the Flash LSO option, it goes one step further even than BleachBit. It deletes the whole #shared folder. Along with that, it deletes everything under the macromedia.com folder, and makes it empty. It means it deletes the support/flashplayer/sys folder hierarchy, along with the settings.sol file. It does a thorough job.

I was quite surprised by this actually. I did not expect Epic to do such a thorough job like a disk cleaner. I thought it would only clear the files related to Epic itself. But, it deletes everything. Now, I haven't gone deeper into this, but I was thinking what would happen, if I have other browsers running, and I clear the Flash LSO with Epic. That would clear the files of other browsers too, and it may affect the working of the browsers.

But, if you look at the cleaning of Flash LSO files, as you can see, Epic does a more than thorough job.

I used Epic in the night yesterday. After a while, the side panel did not bother me. The speed is as good as Firefox, which is quite fast. I was enjoying it. I only observed horizontal scrolling on TSA homepage, and not on other sites... so it was not a problem. But yes, the side panel, and bright persona theme can be distracting. I keep it clean in Firefox.

I will say that a lot of thought has gone into Epic Browser, and they have worked on providing users with some unique features. The browser has potential, and can become a global product, if they work on this properly.
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Old 19. Jul 2010, 09:31 AM   #30 (permalink)
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mmb = middle mouse button I think.
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