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tushR 07. Jul 2010 01:07 AM

Mozilla 4.0b1?
 
Anybody tried Mozilla 4 (beta)? Please share your experiences.
Download Page: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-beta.html
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It's a beta, only to be used for testing / fun..risks involved.

MidnightCowboy 07. Jul 2010 12:08 PM

Had a quick look and quite liked the new layout although I guess it won't suit a lot of the diehard Firefox loyalists. As WOT and a lot of other stuff don't yet work with this release I've left it there for now.

Jojo Yee 07. Jul 2010 03:38 PM

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FF4 looks nice to me. I prefer the tabs on top option as it looks similar to Chrome. The WOT extension is working fine for me, though there're others still not compatible yet.

Anupam 07. Jul 2010 05:30 PM

I was secretly praying that Firefox do not go the way of looking like Chrome, but its going to happen. First Opera did it, and now Firefox. I like Firefox the way it is presently, and I don't know if I will like the new look of Firefox or not. I was hoping that Firefox would stay original, and not copy the design of Chrome, like Opera did. But well, its happening everywhere... one thing works and others start following it too.

I liked tabs on Firefox, because how many you open, the tabs would still show nicely. But, in Chrome based browsers, you open a lot of tabs, and you can't see which tab is what. I really hope that does not happen with the new design of Firefox. Atleast its good that they have kept the option of Menu to show. If we don't like the new look, we can always change it.

One another thing going to change is the add-on manager. It will be revamped, and if I have read correctly, installing or uninstalling extensions won't require a restart of browser anymore. That will be a really good thing, which Firefox users always wanted. That will be the thing I will be looking forward to. Lets see what other features they come up with. I just wish it continues to be my browser of choice.

MidnightCowboy 07. Jul 2010 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jojoyee (Post 31784)
FF4 looks nice to me. I prefer the tabs on top option as it looks similar to Chrome. The WOT extension is working fine for me, though there're others still not compatible yet.

Thanks for the news about WOT. It was the end of last week when I looked at this and got the "not compatible with this version" message so it must be a recent development.

tushR 07. Jul 2010 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MidnightCowboy (Post 31779)
Had a quick look and quite liked the new layout although I guess it won't suit a lot of the diehard Firefox loyalists. As WOT and a lot of other stuff don't yet work with this release I've left it there for now.

I tried WOT, NoScript, AdBlock Plus - works fine for me.

J_L 08. Jul 2010 02:18 AM

I hope my custom theme and all of the other extensions will update in time..

Personally I'm going to stay with 3.6x for now.

Jojo Yee 08. Jul 2010 02:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anupam (Post 31785)
I was secretly praying that Firefox do not go the way of looking like Chrome, but its going to happen. First Opera did it, and now Firefox. I like Firefox the way it is presently, and I don't know if I will like the new look of Firefox or not...

Though the default setting is for the tabs on top, but in FF4, you have an option to set the tabs below the address bar.

FF has a better presentation of tabs, it has a minimum width for each tab and not like Chrome which squeezes tab widths when too many opened.

For all browsers, I prefer they will not take up more than 3 lines at the top, less is better.

For Chrome, I have these 3 lines on top: tabs line, address bar and bookmark bar.

For FF4, the default is also 3 lines on top: Title bar, tabs line and address bar. But if I set the bookmark bar to show up, it then has 4 lines. :(

tushR 08. Jul 2010 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jojoyee (Post 31803)

For FF4, the default is also 3 lines on top: Title bar, tabs line and address bar. But if I set the bookmark bar to show up, it then has 4 lines. :(

Also when you try full screen, the title bar with Orange strip till remains - :mad:, provided feedback to Mozilla :).

Jojo Yee 08. Jul 2010 03:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tushR (Post 31805)
Also when you try full screen, the title bar with Orange strip till remains - :mad:, provided feedback to Mozilla :).

It should provide an option for hiding the title bar, once the title bar is hidden, the windows control buttons (min/max/close) can move to the same line as the tab bar.

With this option on, more users are happier. :D

Anupam 08. Jul 2010 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jojoyee (Post 31803)
FF has a better presentation of tabs, it has a minimum width for each tab and not like Chrome which squeezes tab widths when too many opened.

Yes, I noticed that too. I am glad they have kept this feature in version 4 too. Chrome based browsers squeeze the tabs so much that its not visible which page it is. That's one of the features I don't like about Chrome.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jojoyee (Post 31803)
For all browsers, I prefer they will not take up more than 3 lines at the top, less is better.

Me too, that's why I am not a big fan of toolbars. They really reduce the workspace.

MidnightCowboy 08. Jul 2010 12:12 PM

Downloaded the latest beta today and indeed the extension I use have all been updated. The only Theme so far available from what I read is "Walnut" which ought to suit me but it doesn't :D My favorite is "Dark Revisted" which hopefully can be updated too.

Jojo Yee 09. Jul 2010 04:03 AM

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FF4 seems to appear differently when I run it on XP. The Firefox Orange Button is located in the 2nd line sharing with the tab bar. While in Win7, it takes the first line on its own.

Overall the speed of FF4 is much faster!

tushR 09. Jul 2010 07:07 AM

Overall all the browser i have tried, i found flock fastest, though it has irritating registration page....

MidnightCowboy 09. Jul 2010 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tushR (Post 31845)
Overall all the browser i have tried, i found flock fastest, though it has irritating registration page....

I'm sure I'm not alone in liking bits of several browsers and wishing they could be combined together into one :)

My overall preference would be QtWeb if only it had a spell check. It's plenty fast enough and I just like the way it renders pages. I also like the bookmarks sidebar because you can keep it really narrow to reduce page space loss.

A major benefit for me too is that when checking the new posts on the main site every time I leave a page the number disappears. With other browsers (unless MC is missing something obvious) the numbers remain and if I'm called away for something else I can't always remember where I left off. (This is only relevant for the other mods here but thought I'd post it anyway) :)

MidnightCowboy 10. Jul 2010 04:15 PM

One minor thing I don't like about Firefox4 is the progress indicator. Looks like a pulsating doughnut :D

Jojo Yee 11. Jul 2010 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MidnightCowboy (Post 31887)
One minor thing I don't like about Firefox4 is the progress indicator. Looks like a pulsating doughnut :D

Just the opposite. I personally prefer the new progress indicator in FF4 than the one used in FF3. The new indicator is better in that it takes one round to complete loading a page, whereas the old one keeps turning and turning... and I don't know how many rounds it has to take to complete loading a page. :D

tushR 11. Jul 2010 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jojoyee (Post 31895)
whereas the old one keeps turning and turning... and I don't know how many rounds it has to take to complete loading a page. :D

lol!!! so funny :D, ur comment made my day!

vasa1 11. Jul 2010 08:32 AM

There's mention that some features are available in Win 7 and Vista but not in XP.

Quote:

(This new design shows up only in Windows 7 and Vista, not in Windows 2000 or XP. It's also not in the Mac OS X and Linux betas, although Mozilla says it will be at some time in the future.)
Source

Interesting to see if this continues in the final version.

MidnightCowboy 11. Jul 2010 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jojoyee (Post 31895)
Just the opposite. I personally prefer the new progress indicator in FF4 than the one used in FF3. The new indicator is better in that it takes one round to complete loading a page, whereas the old one keeps turning and turning... and I don't know how many rounds it has to take to complete loading a page. :D

I do appreciate the pie effect (much better than a progress bar), but not the background "throbbing" which comes with it. Somehow just reminds me of those attention seeking ads which also pulsate in your face. It's only really an annoyance with slow or stuck pages though and overall the FF4 experience, for me at any rate, is very good.

Jojo Yee 11. Jul 2010 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MidnightCowboy (Post 31900)
I do appreciate the pie effect (much better than a progress bar), but not the background "throbbing" which comes with it...

I think the "throbbing" effect is to tell you that the FF4 is still loading the page and it's still alive, not a dead page. :D:D

Jojo Yee 11. Jul 2010 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vasa1 (Post 31899)
Source

Interesting to see if this continues in the final version.

Good source for reading. I also agree that that the orange Firefox button is jarring. Given an option, I'd rather hide or remove it to save me one-line space.

In his speed test, the author also found that "Opera finished in an average of 342 ms, Chrome in 361, Safari in 377, Firefox 4 in 651, Firefox 3.6 in 901, and Internet Explorer 8 in 5,035."

Looks like Opera, Chrome and Safari are quite close in terms of speed, but FF4 is still lagging behind. IE8, arrrgggg...

Anupam 13. Jul 2010 07:42 PM

Very interesting interview with Christopher Blizzard from Mozilla here :

http://gizmodo.com/5581880/burning-b...rs-and-the-web

Jojo Yee 14. Jul 2010 05:02 PM

Firefox Button
 
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The Firefox Button can now be moved to sit on the same line with the tab row, with the color changed from orange to grey, or any other color you like.

I followed the guide below and it worked for me.

Remove Firefox 4.0's big, ugly, unmovable orange button

Jojo Yee 15. Jul 2010 02:53 PM

After running FF4 a few more rounds, I'm liking it more and more. It responses very fast (as fast as Chrome), allowing you to click many links at one go (it becomes a bit sluggish for a while in Chrome if too many at one go). Slowly it will become my main browser over Chrome.

The extensions like download helper and download status bar are compatible with FF4 now. Two days ago when I checked they were not. :)

Jojo Yee 16. Jul 2010 07:38 AM

FF4.0b1 installed in XP comes with a window frame. After installing an add-on Hide Caption Titlebar Plus (1.1.2), the window frame is hidden with preference settings below:

Main: Smart Popups
Look & Feel: Never show custom caption/titlebar, auto skins and enabled min. max & close buttons located at top-right corner.

Though the add-on is said to be compatible with FF4.0b1, but quite some alignments are out. Still needs to create a file called userChrome.css below with some adjusted paddings and saved inside the folder C:\Documents and Settings\*user name*\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\3ppjd4dk.default\Chr ome

Code:

#appmenu-button-container {
position: fixed !important;
}
#appmenu-button {
padding: 3px 18px 3px 18px !important;
margin-top:2px !important;
background-color: rgba(54, 121, 166, 0.2) !important;
}
#navigator-toolbox[tabsontop="true"] #TabsToolbar {
padding-left: 98px !important;
padding-top:1px !important;
padding-right:68px !important;
}
#navigator-toolbox[tabsontop=true] #nav-bar {
padding-left: 0px !important;
padding-right: 0px !important;
}

Then only it appears fine. One thing good about FF is its adjustable UI while Chrome is not. ;)

Jojo Yee 16. Jul 2010 04:05 PM

Get rid of Firefox Button
 
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Oops, that's a way to hide the Firefox Button, tried on Win7. :)

Change the userChrome.css file to below and save it in the same location (see last post).

Code:

#appmenu-button-container {
position: fixed !important;
top: 999999999px !important;}
}
#appmenu-button {
padding: 3px 18px 3px 18px !important;
margin-top:3px !important;
background-color: rgba(54, 121, 166, 0.2) !important;
}
#navigator-toolbox[tabsontop="true"] #TabsToolbar {
padding-left: 0px !important;
padding-top:1px !important;
padding-right:115px !important;
}


Anupam 16. Jul 2010 04:16 PM

Some good tips there Jojo. I think it will be helpful for many users, when the final version comes out, and maybe for beta users too.

I am quite excited about Firefox 4.0, and looking forward to it. More so, after reading the positive response here from many members. Really looking forward to it. Any idea about the release date?

mjack 17. Jul 2010 04:38 AM

Firefox
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tushR (Post 31762)
Anybody tried Mozilla 4 (beta)? Please share your experiences.
Download Page: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-beta.html
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It's a beta, only to be used for testing / fun..risks involved.

I don't quite like using firefox, it's too slow sometimes especially its website loading speed. I'd prefer Google Chrome. Please dont mind my offense maybe

MidnightCowboy 17. Jul 2010 09:46 AM

Hi mjack, and welcome to the forum. Everyone has their favorite apps for different jobs and few are more emotive than browser choice. No one should take offense just because you happen to like something else, but if they do we'll delete their posts anyway :D

Jojo Yee 17. Jul 2010 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jojoyee (Post 32142)
Oops, that's a way to hide the Firefox Button, tried on Win7. :)

Change the userChrome.css file to below and save it in the same location (see last post)...

Simplified and corrected code:

Code:

/* hide firefox button */
#appmenu-button-container {
position: fixed !important;
top: 99999px !important;
}
/* adjust tabbar position */
#navigator-toolbox[tabsontop="true"] #TabsToolbar {
padding-left: 0px !important;
padding-top:1px !important;
padding-right:115px !important;
}


Jojo Yee 18. Jul 2010 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anupam (Post 32143)
Some good tips there Jojo. I think it will be helpful for many users, when the final version comes out, and maybe for beta users too.

I am quite excited about Firefox 4.0, and looking forward to it. More so, after reading the positive response here from many members. Really looking forward to it. Any idea about the release date?

Probably somewhere in November this year provided you don't encounter too many buds. :D

Anupam 18. Jul 2010 06:33 AM

Whoa! November? :eek:. I think it might be sooner, since the beta was out this month. But yea, if there are issues encountered, then it might get delayed. Firefox 3.6 release was a delayed one, but the result was that the final product was very stable. So, looking forward to a stable Firefox 4.0.

Anupam 28. Jul 2010 12:08 PM

Seems like Firefox 3.7 will be released before Firefox 4.0? I saw 3.7 alpha5 on the download site, along with 3.6.8, and Firefox 4.0 beta 2.

26Dolphins 06. Aug 2010 08:54 PM

Hi,

For anyone interested, some bad news about Firefox 4:
Mozilla plans to silently update Firefox (security patches)

The good part is:
Quote:

Mozilla will let users change the default silent service to the more traditional mode, where the browser asks permission before downloading and installing any update.
I hope this includes the option to uncheck auto-updates and check manually.

Jojo Yee 07. Aug 2010 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 26Dolphins (Post 33759)
Hi,

For anyone interested, some bad news about Firefox 4:
Mozilla plans to silently update Firefox (security patches)

The good part is:

I hope this includes the option to uncheck auto-updates and check manually.

Ehhh..., it turns out both are good news for me. Personally I don't like to be reminded of updating too often. It should update automatically for me.

Anupam 07. Aug 2010 11:32 AM

I am not in favor of the silent updates feature, which Mozilla have supposedly taken from Google Chrome. I would like to know about the updates that are being done, and the changes that have been made. I want things to be in my hand.

Also, I think this feature would introduce another process in Firefox, like the Google updater that Chrome has. I really dislike those kinds of processes that always run in background, and take up unnecessary memory.

I read the article and it says that a wide number of users have complained that Firefox updates too often. These are the people that want that the software should just keep running and not bother them with updates and all. These are the people which are not bothered about security and all. Even if such users are wide in number, I don't think its a good idea to just introduce this service because of such demands.

With changing trends, I think Mozilla will incorporate this, and it surely is a bad news, at least for me. The good thing though is that Mozilla will keep the silent update optional. I think I will opt to be reminded first.

Still, this is a change I dislike.

With growing competition, Mozilla are following the copy-trend, which is not good, and which I did not wanted to see Mozilla taking up... but sigh, nothing can't be done. Everywhere it is the same... just follow the trend.
There is nothing originality left anywhere.

Jojo Yee 07. Aug 2010 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anupam (Post 33785)
I read the article and it says that a wide number of users have complained that Firefox updates too often.

Yeh, I'm one of them. :D That's why another good thing about online apps is that you don't need to bother about updates. If the developer finds any hole, they will patch it up automatically when I access them. :)

vasa1 10. Aug 2010 07:06 AM

Came across this:
Make your old add-ons work with Firefox 4

No personal experience.

26Dolphins 19. Aug 2010 02:31 PM

Hi,
I recently downloaded the portable version of Firefox 4/ beta 3 to give it a whirl without messing up my Firefox 3.6.8 settings.
Besides a lot of my favorite extensions and themes not working with the latest beta, I noticed that I can't run Firefox 3.6.8 & 4.0.b3 side by side.
Anyone else noticed this and maybe found a work around?

I also couldn't make a couple of custom settings with userChrome.css to work (like background image).
Any ideas?

@vasa1
I'm going to try that config hack to see if I can get my extensions to work.

Thanks in advance.


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