Vulnerability in Firefox 3.6.3/3.5.9 - Page 3

Concerned User · 28. Jun 2010, 09:19 AM

Clean update! Everything's working fine

1. Unfortunately, the start up time has increased again! I think it's because of the plugin container.exe stuff which run later when you click on flash content. I'm not sure...I've added no new plugins in the last one month or so....

Right now, Mozilla's top priority would be to improve the start up time. They can worry about tabs on top or other stuff later on!

I don't know...I also think that Firefox is not customized for Windows. That could be the reason for the delay in start up time. I tried out K-meleon and the start up is much faster.

Here's a quote for Wikipedia for the k-meleon browser:

Quote:

K-Meleon is a web browser for the Microsoft Windows platform. Based on the same Gecko layout engine as Mozilla Firefox, K-Meleon uses native Windows API to create the user interface (instead of using Mozilla's cross-platform XUL layer), and as a result, is tightly integrated into the look and feel of the Windows desktop;[1] this approach is similar to that of Galeon and Epiphany (for the GNOME desktop), and Camino (for Mac OS X).

I also remember reading a comment from an article in "The Register" saying the same thing i.e. Firefox is not integrated into Windows so the start up time is a bit slow. Of course, IE is so tightly integrated that it starts up within 3 seconds!

Of course, you do have Firefox's derivatives like Palemon, unofficial builds etc. which have been customized for Windows. Somehow they don't feel like Firefox

. Not much of a big deal, just saying!

Anupam · 28. Jun 2010, 10:17 AM

Startup time for Firefox has always been more than other browsers, so there is nothing new with it. Just the first startup is more, the later startup times are much lower. But, I can live with that... because Firefox works well for me.

Yes, there is difference in Firefox and K-Meleon. You can read about K-Meleon in detail here, which was written by a person who develops extensions for K-Meleon :

http://www.techsupportalert.com/free...d-history.html

Here are some tests done on different browsers, including K-Meleon :

http://www.techsupportalert.com/free...w-browser.html

And here is my experience with K-Meleon :

http://www.techsupportalert.com/free...b-browser.html

If you want to discuss on K-Meleon further, please start a new topic.

26Dolphins · 28. Jun 2010, 02:41 PM

Hi,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Concerned User

...
1. Unfortunately, the start up time has increased again! I think it's because of the plugin container.exe stuff which run later when you click on flash content. I'm not sure...I've added no new plugins in the last one month or so....
...

You could try out Firefox Preloader:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/ffpreloader/

It's quite old, so I don't know if it'll work on any Windows later than Win XP.

26Dolphins

26Dolphins · 28. Jun 2010, 03:55 PM

Hi,

Just updated to 3.6.6 and regarding the plugin situation:
1. It doesn't change your settings.
2. It removes any others you might have added manually (e.g. Java).

So far so good,
26Dolphins

Kyuzo · 29. Jun 2010, 02:42 AM

My Firefox update has been prompting me to install a new Adobe Flash. The problem is that this Flash update seems to come with something called "getPlusPlus". From what I gather, this is a marketing aid of some sort. Have any of you had bad experiences with this? I've decided to keep my "vulnerable" version of Flash until I determine whether this is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Regards!

bo.elam · 29. Jun 2010, 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyuzo

My Firefox update has been prompting me to install a new Adobe Flash. The problem is that this Flash update seems to come with something called "getPlusPlus". From what I gather, this is a marketing aid of some sort. Have any of you had bad experiences with this? I've decided to keep my "vulnerable" version of Flash until I determine whether this is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Regards!

Kyuzo when I updated Flash last time I ended up with that thing on
my computer and got rid of it using HJT but you can also uninstall it
from"Add or remove programs". It s better to update flash and get
rid of the thing later than to keep the vulnerable old version, so do
the update as soon as possible. Just my opinion my friend.
Bo

J_L · 29. Jun 2010, 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyuzo

My Firefox update has been prompting me to install a new Adobe Flash. The problem is that this Flash update seems to come with something called "getPlusPlus". From what I gather, this is a marketing aid of some sort. Have any of you had bad experiences with this? I've decided to keep my "vulnerable" version of Flash until I determine whether this is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Regards!

Download Flash from here: http://www.filehippo.com/download_flashplayer/
The standalone installers only contain adobe flash, nothing else.

bo.elam · 29. Jun 2010, 03:45 AM

I might be wrong but I feel that my FF is consuming less memory on this
new version. Last night I was on Youtube for a couple of hours and the
memory on the container was at 30 MB at its highest and FF had about
100 MB. In the past probably that would have been about 200 to 250MB,
so this thing might be good for my computer.
Cold starts are probably a little worst but afterward is good.
Bo

vasa1 · 29. Jun 2010, 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anupam

Startup time for Firefox has always been more than other browsers, so there is nothing new with it. Just the first startup is more, the later startup times are much lower. But, I can live with that... because Firefox works well for me.

Yes, there is difference in Firefox and K-Meleon. You can read about K-Meleon in detail here, which was written by a person who develops extensions for K-Meleon :

http://www.techsupportalert.com/free...d-history.html

...

Very informative posts there for anyone interested in a little history of browsers (and a certain very popular extension).

Concerned User · 29. Jun 2010, 08:05 AM

Thanks Anupam!

@bo.elam: Yes, cold starts are the worst for Firefox.

Regarding the flash plugin, it is a bit of a pain since:

1. Adobe tries to stuff their updater thingy (Adobe DLM) as a Firefox addon. Not a good idea

2. Otherwise, they even try to stuff McAfee (Oh God!) as a free AV Scanner. No thank you.

Here is the direct link for you guys who are interested:

http://www.adobe.com/products/flashp...ort/index.html

(scroll to the bottom of the page for both the links)

Not a best practice at all, Adobe for hiding useful links!

and one more thing: Please ensure that you've checked the box under "options=> Security" which says "Warn me when sites try to install add ons" (if you've not already done so) and then click on the "exceptions" tab and remove all of the exceptions so that addons from any site cannot be installed without your permission.

28. Jun 2010, 10:17 AM	#22 (permalink)
Anupam Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: India Posts: 15,276	Startup time for Firefox has always been more than other browsers, so there is nothing new with it. Just the first startup is more, the later startup times are much lower. But, I can live with that... because Firefox works well for me. Yes, there is difference in Firefox and K-Meleon. You can read about K-Meleon in detail here, which was written by a person who develops extensions for K-Meleon : http://www.techsupportalert.com/free...d-history.html Here are some tests done on different browsers, including K-Meleon : http://www.techsupportalert.com/free...w-browser.html And here is my experience with K-Meleon : http://www.techsupportalert.com/free...b-browser.html If you want to discuss on K-Meleon further, please start a new topic. __________________ Anupam

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28. Jun 2010, 03:55 PM	#24 (permalink)
26Dolphins Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 445	Hi, Just updated to 3.6.6 and regarding the plugin situation: 1. It doesn't change your settings. 2. It removes any others you might have added manually (e.g. Java). So far so good, 26Dolphins

29. Jun 2010, 02:42 AM	#25 (permalink)
Kyuzo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 178	My Firefox update has been prompting me to install a new Adobe Flash. The problem is that this Flash update seems to come with something called "getPlusPlus". From what I gather, this is a marketing aid of some sort. Have any of you had bad experiences with this? I've decided to keep my "vulnerable" version of Flash until I determine whether this is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Regards!

29. Jun 2010, 03:45 AM	#28 (permalink)
bo.elam Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,714	I might be wrong but I feel that my FF is consuming less memory on this new version. Last night I was on Youtube for a couple of hours and the memory on the container was at 30 MB at its highest and FF had about 100 MB. In the past probably that would have been about 200 to 250MB, so this thing might be good for my computer. Cold starts are probably a little worst but afterward is good. Bo

29. Jun 2010, 08:05 AM	#30 (permalink)
Concerned User Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: இந்தியா, सिन्धु, India Posts: 486	Thanks Anupam! @bo.elam: Yes, cold starts are the worst for Firefox. Regarding the flash plugin, it is a bit of a pain since: 1. Adobe tries to stuff their updater thingy (Adobe DLM) as a Firefox addon. Not a good idea 2. Otherwise, they even try to stuff McAfee (Oh God!) as a free AV Scanner. No thank you. Here is the direct link for you guys who are interested: http://www.adobe.com/products/flashp...ort/index.html (scroll to the bottom of the page for both the links) Not a best practice at all, Adobe for hiding useful links! and one more thing: Please ensure that you've checked the box under "options=> Security" which says "Warn me when sites try to install add ons" (if you've not already done so) and then click on the "exceptions" tab and remove all of the exceptions so that addons from any site cannot be installed without your permission.