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Old 22. Apr 2010, 02:23 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Honestly, I don't know what the toolkit is for. But, it might be required for JRE to run...
It's not very clear to me either what good the toolkit plugin is for if you're not a developer, but I think that it's not necessary for JRE to run.
By default, I keep both plugins disabled.
A couple of days I was on a site (sorry, can't remember anymore which one) that had some Java applet that needed to run. I enabled only the one for Mozilla browser and all was well.
So probably, one can completely uninstall the Toolkit plugin without any side-effects.
My only consideration is if that thing gets back with the next update, just like the "Quick Java" extension.

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Old 22. Apr 2010, 03:02 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I think you are right 26Dolphins... the toolkit plugin can be disabled. But yes, it will be back with the next install of JRE. Will have to disable again.

This is what I have to do everytime I update to latest version of JRE. I go to the Java Control Panel, and then I disable Java Quick Start, and also disable the Auto Update feature.

I also have to remove the "jusched" process from auto-startup, which is of no use with the Auto Update feature disabled. The process is of no use anyways. These things are quite a pain.
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Old 22. Apr 2010, 03:42 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Hi Anupam,

Your post descripes exactly the steps I have to take once a month.
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...and also disable the Auto Update feature.
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The latest update (from 19 to 20), surprisingly, did not turn "Auto Update" on, though it did put the "jusched" process in auto-startup, which, as you said, has absolutely no meaning other than using up resources when "Auto Update" is disabled.

I wish apps wouldn't automatically assume they know better and remember the user's choices/ settings when updating.

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Old 22. Apr 2010, 03:57 PM   #24 (permalink)
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The latest update (from 19 to 20), surprisingly, did not turn "Auto Update" on
Well, I don't know what was the reason, but when I had updated from 18 to 19, then the whole Update tab was missing from the Java Control Panel. When I updated from 19 to 20, the tab was back in place. Could not figure out what was the reason. I always uninstall previous version, and install the latest version.

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I wish apps wouldn't automatically assume they know better and remember the user's choices/ settings when updating.
True, I too think so. Apple products are a bigger pain in this case. For one, they are huge... like iTunes, QuickTime, and then they install products like Bonjour, which can be a real pain to remove. They are really unnecessary, but their products won't work without them, which is an irritation. Thankfully, I do not have to install these products.
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Old 22. Apr 2010, 04:20 PM   #25 (permalink)
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As suspected, older versions of JRE contain vulnerability in Java Deployment Toolkit prior to the update 20. That's why Firefox has been blocking the older versions. It is advised that everyone using JRE should update to the latest version (6 update 20) to keep their browser secure.

Here is the link on this :

http://www.techairlines.com/mozilla-...yment-toolkit/

Link to Secunia advisory on this issue, is on the above page.

I think Java Deployment Toolkit can be disabled. It should cause no problem with JRE functioning on your browser. Although, the vulnerability in the plug-in has been fixed by the latest JRE release, but still, people who want to be on the safe side can disable the plug-in. If required, it can be turned back on by enabling it.
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Old 22. Apr 2010, 04:26 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Well, I don't know what was the reason, but when I had updated from 18 to 19, then the whole Update tab was missing from the Java Control Panel. When I updated from 19 to 20, the tab was back in place. Could not figure out what was the reason. I always uninstall previous version, and install the latest version.
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I've never seen that before. Only thing I can say is "software works (or not?) in mysterious ways".

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... Apple products are a bigger pain in this case. For one, they are huge... like iTunes, QuickTime, and then they install products like Bonjour, which can be a real pain to remove. They are really unnecessary, but their products won't work without them, which is an irritation. Thankfully, I do not have to install these products.
Couldn't agree more on the last part; whenever sth's asking for QuickTime, I just turn my back to it. Thanks for the extra info on them, one more solid argument to stay away from them.

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Old 23. Apr 2010, 12:29 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Honestly, I don't know what the toolkit is for. But, it might be required for JRE to run, and I don't want to go to the trouble of removing it. If you want to remove it, you can search on Google, and you may find ways to remove it... or if you are confident enough like J.L., then you can remove it from about:config too.
It's actually about:plugins which displays all of your installed plugins. It shows very detailed information, like the source file of the plugin. I've searched for the filename on Everything and deleted it.
The file was somewhere within the Java Program Files folder, but not within my Firefox plugins folder.

I already have Java Deployment Toolkit 6.0.200.2 so I believe there shouldn't be any problems for me. Tested with no problems here: http://java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml
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Here is an article from Ghacks on how to remove the Java Deployment Toolkit. Very nicely written.

http://www.ghacks.net/2010/04/25/how...-from-firefox/
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Here is an article from Ghacks on how to remove the Java Deployment Toolkit. Very nicely written.

http://www.ghacks.net/2010/04/25/how...-from-firefox/
Good background. Though at the last update, I got the impression that the JDT can be omitted from the download itself.
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Old 25. Apr 2010, 01:24 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Here is an article from Ghacks on how to remove the Java Deployment Toolkit. Very nicely written.

http://www.ghacks.net/2010/04/25/how...-from-firefox/
Some of the links given at the bottom of the page relate to how other plug-ins are slyly installed . Essential reading for the not-so-paranoid.
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