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deya 14. Feb 2019 07:05 PM

Opera R3
They've released a Developer version of R3 today so thought to start a thread here for it ... maybe some will want to give it a try.

First Opera R3 developer release comes with new design;

There may be bugs etc. so if you're not sure then maybe best wait until the first Stable release. I've just downloaded and installed it so I'll have a mess about with it then maybe post more later on.

These are a couple of paragraphs from the blog post page ...

"We believe that minimalism is more than a look; it serves a specific purpose. Itís easy to achieve a minimalist design by stripping down features, resulting in a cleaner looking but less functional browser. This was not our goal with R3.

There is no other browser that comes close to Opera in terms of features and functionality, and we didnít intend to make any compromises. What weíve done with R3 is to refine our features and place them in a way that they are fully accessible without getting in your way. Our vision of minimalism is such that your browser is more functional for your daily use, not less
" ....

danielson 15. Feb 2019 09:06 PM

People are commenting quite a bit about it, so i guess Opera might be doing something right.

Personally, it's still a "naw" mode for me.

Their Android version is a killer for me!

deya 16. Feb 2019 12:18 AM

Hmm .... I'm not convinced regards the 'new design'. Not much has changed in the overall look of the browser. Smaller speed dial tiles and a few tweaks here and there to the UI, not that you'd hardly notice. The new Dark Theme is ok though, and if you combine it with, say for example the Dark Reader extension, then you do get a decent effect if it suits your eyes better. Turbo has gone, that may be an issue for some but the free VPN will have its merits for others and it does work well.

Crypto Wallets, News Feeds, Promoted Speed Dials and Bookmarks etc. don't interest me personally but I'm sure many will use those features. It still doesn't let you set your search engine of choice as default and that does rattle my cage a bit.

I'm still using it though, and it seems stable enough although there are glitches. Early days, see what else they add or change before the Stable release in March.

Their marketing waffle wears a bit thin with me though, and I wouldn't call it 'The New Standard of Browsing' .... maybe The Emperor's New Clothes? :)

danielson 16. Feb 2019 02:20 PM


Maybe if they added "The Great Wall" to their publicity stunt, they'll get more attention.

deya 16. Feb 2019 06:32 PM

The way I see it is that they created a bit of problem for themselves by developing Neon and then letting people install and use it. Neon is a whole new ball game in terms of browser design, a real change in appearance and how you browse. So now, every time they come up with these Reborn versions people are expecting something radical, like Neon, because they know what Opera are capable of creating and reading the comments on the R3 blog post proves this because Neon is referred to time and again. They should have kept updating Neon and let those who want to use it, use it - people still are using it. Opera themselves created the high expectation level, and when they don't deliver on the expectations that lots of users have with each Reborn version they get pockets of negative feedback.

So now I've uninstalled Opera Stable and decided to use R3 only, see what comes with each update and then install the Stable version on its release. I've encountered a couple of minor glitches, the main one being that the Easy Setup panel doesn't fully display but I can work around that. Other than that the browser is stable and doesn't crash etc.

I don't like the new idea of not being able to have the sidebar pinned only on internal pages, speed dial etc. So now I've reverted back to accessing things via the Opera button, bookmarks and so on. The bookmark bar takes up too much room in the UI, always has and I don't ever have it showing and this again is a mystery to me why they can't just introduce a setting to auto hide it. I frequently use Cent and Kinza, both Chrome forks, and each of those allows you to auto hide the bookmark bar by mousing over the address bar. Much simpler, more convenient, a cleaner look.

Cent and Kinza are nowhere near the size of Opera in terms of development teams and yet seem to have no problem creating such features, and actually listening to their users requests. And speaking of Cent and Kinza, both allow you to set any search engine as default, have less pre-loaded bloat than Opera and as a consequence both are faster - just my opinion.

I've been trying the new Opera dark theme in R3, in tandem with Dark Reader, and have to say it's good, I like it. People who have issues with their vision may find it useful, although if you're using Win10 you can achieve similar by using the Colour Filters and High Contrast options via the Ease of Access settings so I suppose it's whatever suits you best. This from the blog post ....

"With the light theme, your entire browser, including the sidebar and tab area, is bright and clean. To us, this evokes a feeling of openness and optimism. We designed it to spark productivity and lift your mood.

The dark theme signifies to us a certain elegance and focus. It turns the browser dark and subdued, almost mysterious. But on a practical note, it’s also soothing for the eyes

.... although I'm not sure how the new idea of making the speed dial tiles smaller is supposed to help people with poor vision or be soothing on the eyes?

I'm hoping they take note of user comments and a make changes in forthcoming versions of R3 before the Stable version release. We'll see.

deya 21. Feb 2019 05:08 PM

An update for R3 - Opera 60 developer;

deya 27. Feb 2019 05:46 PM

Opera 60.0.3242.0 developer update - this is for R3;

deya 05. Mar 2019 06:53 PM

Opera 60.0.3248.0 developer update - R3;

danielson 06. Mar 2019 04:26 PM

Anything worth talking about that makes it stand out from the regular browser?

Still don't see much talk about it other your postings here deya.

deya 07. Mar 2019 12:35 AM

R3 is really not that much different from what was already there in the Stable version, danielson.

Depends what you want from a browser. Opera has a lot of features that many people will find useful. News feeds (which you can personalise), access to social media accounts, My Flow, crypto wallet, built in ad blocker, free VPN, the dark theme - the settings for which are all accessible via the Easy Setup menu on the start page/speed dial page. Plus there's other stuff; Snapshot tool, Chromecast support, instant search etc.

Personally, I only really use the VPN, which is good, and the rest I have disabled. So I'm not the target audience in terms of what Opera are aiming at. I do occasionally enable various features, news feed, dark mode and so on and they work really well. It's just that I, personally, don't feel the need to have all that going on in a browser but that's not to say those features are pointless, I'm sure they're not to lots of people.

The changes in R3 that I think are a mistake are doing away with Turbo (useful to many people), making the speed dial tiles smaller and also not being able to pin the sidebar to the start page only. Before, you could pin the sidebar to just the start page, but now, if you have it pinned, it shows on every page and to me that's a nuisance and takes up space on the page. So now I don't use the sidebar.

So, there is a lot to make Opera stand out from some other browsers - and it receives regular security updates etc. It's a very good browser, but these Reborn versions are really not earth shattering in terms of changes to the UI - how the browser looks compared to others and all the rest of it.

There are things I'd like to see in Opera, I've mentioned them before, but I'm only one person and what I think would be an improvement obviously the developers don't and that's fine. I still use it, although not as often as I did before to be honest.

R3 is still being developed, there will be changes before the Final release so I'll wait and see, and hopefully they'll take note of what's being requested in the comments on their blog page :)

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