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danielson 07. Mar 2019 01:22 AM

Think you hit it dead on with that last line deya.

Have had the feeling for a long time now, that the folks at Mozilla and Opera no longer have an open ear to users as they used to.

deya 07. Mar 2019 12:20 PM

Maybe we all want too many different things, and in the end they have to design their individual browser in a way they think the majority of their users will find appealing.

It would be good to be able to take features from your favourite browsers and put them in one super browser ..... but then, I think in a way that's what Vivaldi are doing and I don't like it now. There's too much going on in the browser, too many settings that (personally) I'd never use. It's a hard balancing act.

Opera has been my default for a long time now, even though I'm using the R3 Developer version it's still my default and but for the expected little bugs and glitches it's solid in terms of performance. I considered, some time ago, to have Edge set as default in Win10 and be done with it - just stick with the browser that comes with the OS, but then they messed about with it too many times and I could never get it running how I wanted it to. Now MS have scrapped it and have decided to go down the Chrome route because people just weren't using it in the numbers that they hoped. So all my tinkering with Edge was a waste of time and now I don't use it all. No point. See what they come up with in the future but from what I understand, at the moment, you won't be able to use extensions from the Chrome Store and instead you'll have the choice of selected extensions from the MS Store, same as before and that's no good, not to me at least.

With Opera, the latest versions, the object seems to be to monetise the browser - sponsored sites, search engines, news feeds etc. and I don't know if I'm too keen on that. I understand why they have to do it, and respect it, but at least they do give you the options to disable or change most of it, setting default search being the exception.

If I had to change my default browser to any of the ones I use regularly then the only one I would consider at this moment in time is Yandex. It's not too dissimilar to Opera; still has Turbo, you can install extensions from the Chrome Store, updates regularly, ten gigs of free cloud storage, good security features, etc. But the thing I like most is the general user interface, the aesthetics of the browser appeal to me, always have. I've gone back to it time and again and use it more and more of late. And even though Yandex are predominantly a search company, they still allow you to change your default search to one of your own choice. I prefer to use Qwant, Swisscows and Yandex itself. Opera still refuses to let you do this by default. I know I keep mentioning this on here, but it really does make me not use Opera as much, the way I used to.

Sometimes the little things make all the difference when using a browser. Freedom of choice obviously means more to me than most and so Opera continue with this policy, and I've seen the choice of default search mentioned many times in their blog comments so going back to your point, danielson, no, they don't have an open ear to their users like they used to.

But the owners of Opera paid a lot of money for it, they obviously want to maximise their income via the browser and sponsored search engines are a good way of doing that. So I don't see changes to that happening any time soon :)

danielson 07. Mar 2019 03:44 PM

Ever since Firefox and Opera have taken zee "big leap", i find myself bouncing around with different browsers.

In the end, i still find myself on Firefox (Windows) and Opera (Android) as home base.

With a fair sized monitor, i do like browsers that can open "things" in a side panel.
Which one does best at that is a question mark.

CASD 09. Mar 2019 08:01 PM

I agree I like bookmarks and other stuff in the side panel
Vivaldi has been my go too for a while but it seems to be a resource hog for a tab lover like me.. (150+)
Trying out Brave at the moment and it seems to be better with resources so far. also using Sidewise for the side panel

After Cyberfox went down I just can't get back to Fox.. I just don't like it

deya 10. Mar 2019 12:25 PM

Not sure how many people use them both, but Opera does still have two sidebars. Besides the sidebar there's also the extensions bar where you can install sidebar extensions; bookmarks, notes etc. You don't have to have them both showing at the same time, they're independent of each other.

Thing is, if you enable the extensions bar and click to add an extension from the sidebar page in Opera extensions some of the extensions listed don't actually install in the extensions bar, they install in the extension toolbar at top right of the browser - and certain ones install in both which is a bit of a mess to be honest.

In R3 Developer (unlike the Stable version) if you enable the sidebar it now stays when you open a Website, whereas before it would only show on the speed dial/start page and hide when you opened a Website. I preferred that. So at the moment I'm not using the sidebar because I don't want to see it all the time.

Personal preference, and we all seem to want different things but I can still access the stuff I use from the speed dial page (bookmarks, extensions, history, downloads and settings) by right clicking on the page and opening them from the context menu. So I'm happy enough with that, although if you use the sidebar for messaging (Whatsapp, VK etc.) you can't access those by right clicking so it's not ideal for everyone.

Even with a fair sized monitor, if you have both sidebars plus the bookmarks bar showing it takes up quite a chunk of space. So I don't get why the can't just give users the option to auto-hide them, as opposed to just show or hide. It seems to me to be just so much simpler to be able to do that? ... and it can be done because as I said before, I use browsers that do it with the bookmarks bar. Same as with the Windows task bar, you can auto-hide it so you get more space on the screen.

All that being said, you can still access everything you need from the Opera menu button at top left of the browser, and I do use it, so perhaps they think they give you enough options as it is and that's probably a fair point.

danielson 10. Mar 2019 02:36 PM

How many tabs can a browser open and keep open simultaneously?
Never heard of Sidewise before - wish there were more options (i.e. hotkey).
Brave sure is fast and improvements don't seem random but something users will generally accept and use (shame on you Vivaldi for a huge user profile that can't be removed - most people i know have their own computers and very rarely have to share them, so why add this "test"?).
Brave also lets users manage search engines (hint to Deya!)

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Might take Opera R3 out for a ride sometime.
Just gets frustrating as it seems that all these Chrome clones are playing catch-up with things that were already doing well or on their way to perfection (i.e. Opera 12).

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Who knows!
Maybe the new Edge-Chrome-clone will have a neat sidebar! ha!

deya 10. Mar 2019 05:40 PM

We'll soon find out;

Who's signing up this time? :D

danielson 10. Mar 2019 09:00 PM

Not me!

Not holding my breath for Microsoft.

deya 10. Mar 2019 11:35 PM

Haha! Anticipating your answer, I went ahead and signed up so we'll see.

Surely they can't mess Chrome up ..... can they? :D

EldonW 10. Mar 2019 11:56 PM


Originally Posted by deya (Post 125125)
Surely they can't mess Chrome up ..... can they? :D

Of course not!
Look at what a wonderful job they did with Windows... :rolleyes:

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