Yandex.Browser - Beta - Page 4

deya · 25. May 2015, 09:04 PM

I agree with your point about a forum in English. They are helpful, and it would possibly help in getting more users to give it a try. Maybe. But reading around various places you come across a lot of the Russian thing .. you know, 'why should I trust it?' .. 'it's got to be spying on me because it's Russian.' That kind of thing. Better communication could be a key to that. But who knows? ... and somehow I doubt it. It's hard to change people's perception of stuff like that and, rightly or wrongly, they'll find it difficult to change that.

I wonder just how much involvement Opera have in this, development wise. They do collaborate with browser technology, Turbo, search etc. Would be interesting to know.

maxfan · 26. May 2015, 12:53 PM

Finally got it installed! I tried updating from within the alpha, and then with the separate downloaded installer, but it kept stalling and quitting. In the end I had to uninstall both versions to get it to work. They do make you work a little, don't they? An English forum would allow a bit more feedback, to iron out these wrinkles. Now it's installed... very nice!

deya · 27. May 2015, 12:25 PM

Probably best to do it that way anyway, to do a clean install and start afresh. How does it compare to your previous experiences with the stable and alpha versions?

Are you using stealth mode, and if so what do you think of it? ... I disabled the pre-installed Adguard extension and installed µBlock Origin again, I just prefer it. But it seems to work well in tandem with stealth mode.

I've had a couple of little niggles with it, but nothing much and overall it's running really well.

danielson · 28. May 2015, 12:41 PM

Did email the company about possibility of having a forum.
They promptly responded and were very cordial.
Although they have no immediate plans for this, they don't exclude the possibility.

deya · 28. May 2015, 07:33 PM

Well, no harm in asking. At least they now know there's interest for it.

There is a similar thing to a desktop team blog, Yandex Club Browser, and you can keep up with the latest releases there - but it's for the Russian version of the browser so I won't link to it. Today they released a new version, 15.6.2311.3473 beta. I'm running it now on an old XP machine. Different to the one we're using, not the same extensions etc - and no stealth mode. Although there is mention of stealth mode in a previous release. People do comment on there. Like the Vivaldi or Opera blog.

If you haven't already come across it but want the site address let me know and I'll use the pm to send you the link, then Yandex will auto translate it for you to read in English.

danielson · 28. May 2015, 09:31 PM

If you can do that Deya, sure!
Did you simply install beta over existing version?

deya · 28. May 2015, 11:30 PM

No, I installed it separately on an old machine here just to try it. The versions on Yandex Club are the Russian ones. We're using the international versions and they're different. Don't install anything over the top of your existing version from Yandex Club.

The site may be interesting to you, or it may not. There are blog posts and feedback from users who are using the browser - the Russian version of the browser - and you might find it interesting to read. Put it this way. It's probably the closest thing to a Yandex forum we're likely to find

So I'll send you the link. But if you want to try their beta version do it on a separate machine if you can, or in a sandbox or whatever.

danielson · 29. May 2015, 02:22 AM

Deya, not that much familiar with Sandoxing so i guess i'll be happy with test driving latest official version. Know what? Although i hate Google just as much as i do M$ and Yahoo for not listening to people's comments and requests. Google Chrome dev's latest for 64bit is hard to beat in speed!

maxfan · 29. May 2015, 09:46 AM

New version is working well, I've tended to stick with the new interface, and it has been stable for me. Good to have the old one if I want it. Stealth mode is just the same as having Adguard isn't it? It's fine, very unobtrusive. I too like the idea of an English language forum.

deya · 29. May 2015, 10:56 AM

@ danielson; not much difference in the two to be honest, apart from the pre-installed extensions and, obviously, the language. You're better off sticking with the official English version. It's ok for me, with a spare machine.

@ maxfan; Stealth Mode is developed by Adguard, but different to the ad-blocker. This is translated from their blog;

"Stealth Mode is an open source project that is available for viewing and processing on Github.

The main difference between Stealth Mode and popular adblocking software like Adguard, Adblock, Ghostery and others, in that it uses a fundamentally different approach to ensuring online privacy. It doesn't block the requests. Instead, Stealth Mode just does not allow them to gather any information about the user. So even if something is still not in the black list of addresses, it would still not be able to "calculate" information about you.

Stealth Mode is not yet available in the Chrome Store, but we plan to publish there soon." ....

The GitHub page for Stealth Mode is here;

https://github.com/AdguardTeam/StealthMode

... you get the full description there. It works alongside the pre-installed Adguard extension in Yandex, but it will also work with any other ad-blocker.

I think it's good that you can switch between the two interfaces of the browser. One thing I've noticed is that I've had more site warnings with this version - blocked sites. Probably because I use Yandex as default search, which is good at filtering results. But it's blocked sites that I've accessed before with the previous builds. Plus I'm using Yandex DNS so it's a combination.

Browser continues to run very well. Not one crash so far. Very stable.

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25. May 2015, 09:04 PM	#31 (permalink)
deya Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: UK Posts: 1,481	I agree with your point about a forum in English. They are helpful, and it would possibly help in getting more users to give it a try. Maybe. But reading around various places you come across a lot of the Russian thing .. you know, 'why should I trust it?' .. 'it's got to be spying on me because it's Russian.' That kind of thing. Better communication could be a key to that. But who knows? ... and somehow I doubt it. It's hard to change people's perception of stuff like that and, rightly or wrongly, they'll find it difficult to change that. I wonder just how much involvement Opera have in this, development wise. They do collaborate with browser technology, Turbo, search etc. Would be interesting to know.

26. May 2015, 12:53 PM	#32 (permalink)
maxfan Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 22	Finally got it installed! I tried updating from within the alpha, and then with the separate downloaded installer, but it kept stalling and quitting. In the end I had to uninstall both versions to get it to work. They do make you work a little, don't they? An English forum would allow a bit more feedback, to iron out these wrinkles. Now it's installed... very nice!

27. May 2015, 12:25 PM	#33 (permalink)
deya Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: UK Posts: 1,481	Probably best to do it that way anyway, to do a clean install and start afresh. How does it compare to your previous experiences with the stable and alpha versions? Are you using stealth mode, and if so what do you think of it? ... I disabled the pre-installed Adguard extension and installed µBlock Origin again, I just prefer it. But it seems to work well in tandem with stealth mode. I've had a couple of little niggles with it, but nothing much and overall it's running really well.

28. May 2015, 12:41 PM	#34 (permalink)
danielson Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,087	Did email the company about possibility of having a forum. They promptly responded and were very cordial. Although they have no immediate plans for this, they don't exclude the possibility.

28. May 2015, 07:33 PM	#35 (permalink)
deya Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: UK Posts: 1,481	Well, no harm in asking. At least they now know there's interest for it. There is a similar thing to a desktop team blog, Yandex Club Browser, and you can keep up with the latest releases there - but it's for the Russian version of the browser so I won't link to it. Today they released a new version, 15.6.2311.3473 beta. I'm running it now on an old XP machine. Different to the one we're using, not the same extensions etc - and no stealth mode. Although there is mention of stealth mode in a previous release. People do comment on there. Like the Vivaldi or Opera blog. If you haven't already come across it but want the site address let me know and I'll use the pm to send you the link, then Yandex will auto translate it for you to read in English.

28. May 2015, 09:31 PM	#36 (permalink)
danielson Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,087	If you can do that Deya, sure! Did you simply install beta over existing version?

28. May 2015, 11:30 PM	#37 (permalink)
deya Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: UK Posts: 1,481	No, I installed it separately on an old machine here just to try it. The versions on Yandex Club are the Russian ones. We're using the international versions and they're different. Don't install anything over the top of your existing version from Yandex Club. The site may be interesting to you, or it may not. There are blog posts and feedback from users who are using the browser - the Russian version of the browser - and you might find it interesting to read. Put it this way. It's probably the closest thing to a Yandex forum we're likely to find So I'll send you the link. But if you want to try their beta version do it on a separate machine if you can, or in a sandbox or whatever.

29. May 2015, 02:22 AM	#38 (permalink)
danielson Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,087	Deya, not that much familiar with Sandoxing so i guess i'll be happy with test driving latest official version. Know what? Although i hate Google just as much as i do M$ and Yahoo for not listening to people's comments and requests. Google Chrome dev's latest for 64bit is hard to beat in speed!

29. May 2015, 09:46 AM	#39 (permalink)
maxfan Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 22	New version is working well, I've tended to stick with the new interface, and it has been stable for me. Good to have the old one if I want it. Stealth mode is just the same as having Adguard isn't it? It's fine, very unobtrusive. I too like the idea of an English language forum.

29. May 2015, 10:56 AM	#40 (permalink)
deya Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: UK Posts: 1,481	@ danielson; not much difference in the two to be honest, apart from the pre-installed extensions and, obviously, the language. You're better off sticking with the official English version. It's ok for me, with a spare machine. @ maxfan; Stealth Mode is developed by Adguard, but different to the ad-blocker. This is translated from their blog; "Stealth Mode is an open source project that is available for viewing and processing on Github. The main difference between Stealth Mode and popular adblocking software like Adguard, Adblock, Ghostery and others, in that it uses a fundamentally different approach to ensuring online privacy. It doesn't block the requests. Instead, Stealth Mode just does not allow them to gather any information about the user. So even if something is still not in the black list of addresses, it would still not be able to "calculate" information about you. Stealth Mode is not yet available in the Chrome Store, but we plan to publish there soon." .... The GitHub page for Stealth Mode is here; https://github.com/AdguardTeam/StealthMode ... you get the full description there. It works alongside the pre-installed Adguard extension in Yandex, but it will also work with any other ad-blocker. I think it's good that you can switch between the two interfaces of the browser. One thing I've noticed is that I've had more site warnings with this version - blocked sites. Probably because I use Yandex as default search, which is good at filtering results. But it's blocked sites that I've accessed before with the previous builds. Plus I'm using Yandex DNS so it's a combination. Browser continues to run very well. Not one crash so far. Very stable.