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Old 23. Jul 2013, 03:36 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Anupam, when I decided to uninstall Java, I researched it on Oracle's site. They recommend uninstalling it from Control Panel-->Programs-->Uninstall a program. That's what I did. For all you know JDK is one of the remnants left from uninstalling - I don't know.

Thanks for the link to JavaRa. Seeing as I've already uninstalled Java as described above, do you think I should re-install Java first before using JavaRa?
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Old 23. Jul 2013, 07:04 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Joe, since you already uninstalled Java, you can safely remove any Java or Sun folder that you find.

To get rid of the Java plugin or any other plugin thats leftover from an old installation, all you have to do is a clean install of Firefox. To do that, uninstall Firefox from Control panel and make sure the folders in Program files and App Data (Local and Roaming) are removed.

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Old 23. Jul 2013, 07:20 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Yes, I think for JavaRa to run, it will require Java to be installed first. Well, uninstalling JRE from Add/Remove Programs leaves behind files and folders... that is why JavaRa is required .

You can follow what Bo suggests, if you are sure that Java has been uninstalled from the system.

JDK should have been removed when Java was uninstalled.
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Old 23. Jul 2013, 10:11 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Java does not need to be installed to run JavaRa. If Java is not installed it will simply scan for leftovers and remove them. Its very simple to use & pretty effective. When I removed Java from my system I uninstalled it normally, restarted the pc then manually searched in the usual places for leftovers and manually deleted them, ran JavaRa and it still found a few that I hadn't found. Is a good tool.
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Old 24. Jul 2013, 02:37 AM   #15 (permalink)
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OK. I downloaded JavaRa and ran it without re-installing Java. When it was done, I checked and the folders are still there! I even tried Additional Task - Remove startup entry, Remove Outdated JRE Firefox Extensions, and Clean JRE Temp Files - no dice.

I haven't used it in a long time, but I decided to check Internet Explorer too. I found an extension named Java(tm) Plug-in 2 SSV Helper. There's no option to uninstall it. I even tried right-clicking on it. There's no option to uninstall Java Deployment Toolkit in Firefox either.

Bo, thanks for the advice about re-installing FF, but I wonder if it's worth the hassle. I've read about using XMarks, but I'm still reluctant to re-install FF. I think I'll just disable those extensions/add-ons and live with it. I'm leaving the folders too, in case I break something. It just makes me mad when uninstalling a program leaves leftovers all over the place. Grrr. I mean, if a developer writes a program, how much harder is it to provide an uninstaller that removes everything?
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Old 24. Jul 2013, 04:15 AM   #16 (permalink)
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From my own personal experience the only way to get the Java plugin removed from the plugins section of FF was to do what Bo said. I completely removed every trace I could find manually & with JavaRa & it still showed up in the FF plugins but I couldn't enable/disable it.

I'm not sure about any other browsers.
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Old 24. Jul 2013, 04:59 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Try these links:
http://www.ghacks.net/2010/04/25/how...-from-firefox/
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/i...7-319ccb43115f
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Old 24. Jul 2013, 08:21 AM   #18 (permalink)
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I think JavaRa may work better if you reinstall Java and then uninstall it using JavaRa... that way it will know which files/folders to delete.

Joe, you can check the Program Files folder to see if Java is installed anywhere. If not, I think you can safely remove the left over folders. You can check the Sun and Oracle folders to see what they contain. If they are not related to other products, you can delete them safely.

I think it maybe a good idea to reinstall Java, and then uninstall it using JavaRa.

If you do not wish to go that route, what J_L posted is good enough to remove JDK plugin without re-installing Firefox.

About re-installing Firefox, what seems as a hassle to you? I mean you are worried about restoration of bookmarks, extensions and such? Do post, and I will share how you can restore Firefox without much hassle, and get it quickly to a state you were using it, before re-installation.
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Old 25. Jul 2013, 03:40 AM   #19 (permalink)
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OK, reporting back.

I installed Java and ran JavaRa. When I checked, it was still listed among the programs in Control Panel. Confused, I checked in the Program files folder and sure enough it was still there. Not sure what went wrong, but it seems JavaRa didn't uninstall Java.

Next, I decided to try Geek Uninstaller. From what I observed, it ran Windows native uninstaller. The result? It was the same as when I uninstalled from the Control Panel.

J_L, thanks for those links. I studied them and these were my thoughts:

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The ghacks article dates back to April 2010. I'm not sure if some of the information is outdated, but I got as far as about:config in FF was stumped. There wasn't any filter bar to be found in FF. Due to this, I could find the path to the dll file(s). I even checked the locations in the article, but still couldn't find the dlls. Even so, they recommend deleting those dll files. I don't think I would risk deleting dlls even if I were to back them up. What would happen to the registry entries? Wouldn't that lead to broken registry entries? Those are my reasons for not following that advice.

Furthermore, there's a link in that article to another one. That other article is even older - October 2009. The gist of it is FF auto-detects which plugins to install. They recommend yet another hack which involves doing some editing in the plugins directory. Again, I'm not in favor of following that advice. They admit it's not a perfect solution too, so what the big difference if I just disable the add-on?

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The more credible solution in the link involves deleting registry entries. One thing I'm not doing is tampering with the registry even if I back it up. I may not know about the registry, but at least I know enough not to tamper with it.

To sum up, I'm back right where I started. None of the so-called solutions are at my comfort level, so I'm prepared to live with disabling the add-ons/plugins as well as keeping the Sun/Oracle folders. At the worse, they'll occupy a bit of space on my hard drive, but at least they won't trash my PC. I am fickle, but not fickle enough to prevent good sense from prevailing.

This whole experience may look like both your time and mines was wasted, but I take it as a learning experience, so it isn't a total waste. I'm a bit wiser now, and more careful about what I install.

Bo and Anupam, the only thing that bothered me in FF was that JDK add-on, otherwise I'm fine. Based on what I said above, I don't think I'll get rid of JDK even if I were to reinstall FF. So I won't be trying it.

Guys, I really do appreciate all the help and advice, but I think I've settled matters in my mind for now. Thanks to all.
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Old 26. Jul 2013, 11:08 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Joe, you are perhaps right in leaving the procedure which involves removing registry entries.

About Sun and Oracle folders, you can atleast check them to see what they contain. I tell this, because it will tell you for sure what's inside it. In case you have other Sun, or Oracle products, like Open Office, then those should not be removed. Checking the folders should give you can idea.

About Firefox, yes, the article is a bit old, but some of it should still apply.

In about:config, the Search bar is the filter bar actually. If you type the desired entry in full, or parts of it, you will get matching entries from which you can choose the desired one.

I checked on the latest Firefox, by typing about: plugins, and it shows by default the path of each plugin and its dll. So, there is no need to set that option in about:config in newer Firefox, I think.

In Firefox, I don't think it writes any entries in the registry, regarding the plugins, otherwise the article would have advised so. In past, I have removed dlls for Firefox, from the plugin path showed in about: plugins. Although, I do not remember which plugin it was for, and I haven't done it more than once or twice I think. So, removal in Firefox should be easy, if you are willing to go for it.

Strange though, that Java removal by JavaRa did not work. It should have.

Joe, by any chance, did you install JDK kit of Java, by mistake? JDK kit is a whole lot bigger than JRE. JDK is for developers essentially, and it contains JRE too. But, JRE download only contains JRE with just JDK plugin. So, maybe you installed JDK instead of JRE? Although, it's a remote possibility since, their setups have a vast difference in size.

Boy, would I love to have a look at your PC .
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