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Melita-s 05. Nov 2016 07:15 PM

I need a program to translate documents
 
I use Google Translate add-on in Firefox for web pages. Is there a program I can use to translate documents like.pdf, .txt?

Is there also an alternative to Google Translate?

Thank you

Joe A.TT 06. Nov 2016 01:23 AM

Well, errr... I think Google Translate is one of the best if not the best. Yes, I don't like Google either but Google Translate is what I use.

When you say "pdf and txt" I not sure what you mean. There are a few translation programs around. One such is QTranslate. In fact, Google is one of the engines which QTranslate uses. I have never used it but I understand there is a 100-character limit.

Melita-s 06. Nov 2016 05:52 AM

Thank you for helping Joe.
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Originally Posted by Joe A.TT (Post 119387)
Well, errr... I think Google Translate is one of the best if not the best. Yes, I don't like Google either but Google Translate is what I use.

You knew I don't like Google, without my saying anything to that effect :) I was hoping there is some program I was not aware of, with which I could replace it.
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Originally Posted by Joe A.TT (Post 119387)
When you say "pdf and txt" I not sure what you mean.

I often download technical data relating to old vacuum tube equipment that I have (this is my hobby). Some of my equipment were manufactured in countries like Germany, Italy, Japan etc. and the circuit diagrams and service manuals are available only in their languages. They cannot be read on the web page with Google Translate but available for download, often as zip files, from web sites. The files come in .pdf and some other formats as well (last week I got some files in .tif format). It is to translate these to English after downloading, that I was wondering if a program is available.

Kind regards,

Joe A.TT 06. Nov 2016 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Melita-s (Post 119389)
The files come in .pdf and some other formats as well (last week I got some files in .tif format).

It's possible you may have another problem here. I say so because pdf files can sometimes be pictures of text rather than the actual text itself. If that is the case, you won't be able to highlight and copy text from the pdf. In the case of tif files, they are definitely pictures of text. If it's really important to you, you can use an OCR (Optical Character Recognition) program to generate a text file. You should be aware though that OCR is not an exact science and OCR text will have inaccuracies here and there.

Melita-s 06. Nov 2016 03:35 PM

Yes, the .tif files are photos. They open in photo viewer. This is actually the first time I got this file format. I got them from an organisation in New Zealand. This is not too much of a problem because they are all circuit diagrams. I can make out the text in them from long familiarity with the equivalent technical terms of those languages.

Service Manuals, on the other hand, always come in .pdf format and they all open in Adobe Reader. Because they open in Adobe Reader I am assuming (correctly I hope), that they are genuine .pdf documents. These are the ones I am mainly concerned about. They have detailed instructions (specific for make and model), for calibration, alignment and trouble shooting. This is difficult to manage with the rudimentary method I employ with the circuits.

leaving out .tif, is there anything that I can use for .pdf documents?

Thank you,

EldonW 06. Nov 2016 09:28 PM

PDF-XChange Viewer is free and it includes OCR. I have succesfully used the OCR feature with PDF documents which are actually images in a 'pdf wrapper'.
Here's a link to download additional languages.
https://www.tracker-software.com/pdf-xchange-viewer-ocr

Joe A.TT 07. Nov 2016 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Melita-s (Post 119393)
Service Manuals, on the other hand, always come in .pdf format and they all open in Adobe Reader. Because they open in Adobe Reader I am assuming (correctly I hope), that they are genuine .pdf documents.

If you can open them in Adobe Reader, they should be pdf documents. As a test, see if you can highlight and copy text from them. That will immediately tell you whether there is a text layer in the pdf or they are pictures.

And yes, as EldonW suggested, there is an OCR plugin for PDF-XChange Viewer which you can try if you find you are dealing with pictures. I have used it once before and it works okay. If you are going this far, you might want to try PDF-XChange Editor instead. It is the successor to PDF-XChange Viewer. There is a portable version that is stealth too, so you can simply delete it when you are done.

Anupam 07. Nov 2016 07:29 AM

I think she means that she needs a translation software which will work right inside the program, like Adobe Reader, using which she can translate the content in that document, rather than copying text and pasting in Google Translate.

I think QTranslate suggested by Joe looks like worth a try. Something better than nothing.

Jojo Yee 07. Nov 2016 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Melita-s (Post 119381)
I use Google Translate add-on in Firefox for web pages. Is there a program I can use to translate documents like.pdf, .txt?

In addition to web pages, Google Translate also allows you to upload a document including a pdf file for translation. It's an online service and not an offline program, unfortunately.

Go to this page https://translate.google.com/ and click 'translate a document' below the box to upload a document, select a language then press the 'translate' button.

This works if a pdf file is text searchable. It doesn't work if it's a scanned pdf containing images of text, which you will need OCR to extract text separately.

I agree with Joe, Google Translate is "one of the best if not the best" and it is still my choice after trying out several others.

Melita-s 13. Nov 2016 11:11 PM

As always, the best of support here when one really needs it. I couldn't post earlier. I was not able to get down to the business of translating because I was searching the internet for several days, looking for a service manual for one of these things that I acquired recently.

I like to show the results of my translation effort. The pdf files exceed the size limit for file uploads here. What service can I use to send them (store?), for you to have a look. I am clueless about Cloud storage. Never stored files anywhere before this. Please recommend some service.

Thank you,

Jojo Yee 14. Nov 2016 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Melita-s (Post 119503)
The pdf files exceed the size limit for file uploads here. What service can I use to send them (store?), for you to have a look. I am clueless about Cloud storage. Never stored files anywhere before this. Please recommend some service.

Thank you,

Consider whether to split pdf pages Melita-s and make the file smaller for uploading and translation. See Best Free PDF Tools - General

For cloud storage, I use Google Drive more often.

Joe A.TT 14. Nov 2016 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Melita-s (Post 119503)
What service can I use to send them (store?), for you to have a look. I am clueless about Cloud storage. Never stored files anywhere before this. Please recommend some service.

Melita, while you can store and share files with cloud storage services, I wonder if that is what you need. Keep in mind it would involve your creating an account - something that you may or may not want to do. I say this because there is another way to send/share large files, i.e. via file hosting services such as sendspace and RGhost. Both methods have their uses. Which you choose depends on what you want. Think of the former as a more permanent solution as compared to a one-off use for the latter.

Melita-s 14. Nov 2016 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jojo Yee (Post 119509)
Consider whether to split pdf pages Melita-s and make the file smaller for uploading and translation. See [URL="http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/best-free-pdf-tools.htm#General-Tools"]Best Free PDF Tools - General[/URL

Thank you for this link. I had no trouble with the OCR and the translations. The problem is with uploading them to my forum post. The file sizes are above the forum limits for file uploads. I zipped them up but they are still too big. e.g. There is one .pdf, single page and it is 1.54 MB
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Originally Posted by Joe A.TT (Post 119511)
Melita, while you can store and share files with cloud storage services, I wonder if that is what you need. Keep in mind it would involve your creating an account - something that you may or may not want to do.

Yes Joe, I would rather avoid that.

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Originally Posted by Joe A.TT (Post 119511)
I say this because there is another way to send/share large files, i.e. via file hosting services such as sendspace and RGhost.

This is what I should have asked for in the first place, not cloud storage. I am looking at 'send space'. Could you please clarify this: After uploading the files to 'send space', if I copy the Download link that is offered for my files, and paste it here in my post, would you be able to see all the files I uploaded, when you click on that one link? If I upload Zip files will there be a problem for you to see them?

Thank you for your foresight in recommending this.

eyeb 14. Nov 2016 05:52 PM

not sure how well it works, I don't use it.

But google translate app for android phones lets you take a picture and translate the text on it. https://support.google.com/translate.../6142483?hl=en

Joe A.TT 14. Nov 2016 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Melita-s (Post 119513)
Could you please clarify this: After uploading the files to 'send space', if I copy the Download link that is offered for my files, and paste it here in my post, would you be able to see all the files I uploaded, when you click on that one link? If I upload Zip files will there be a problem for you to see them?

I have only ever used sendspace once and that was a long time ago. From what I recall, when you upload a file you will get a unique link/URL. Just send the link to your intended recipient and they should be able to download the file with a browser. If you are sharing it here on the forum, just paste the link in your post.

The free service allows you to upload files not exceeding 300MB each and recipients have up to 30 days to download the file. If the total size of your files does not exceed this limit, it might be better to put them in a single zip file and upload that instead.

The one disadvantage with this method is the recipient has to download the file. If the recipient is on a limited broadband package, they may be reluctant to use their broadband this way. In this regard, I don't use Google Drive to collaborate or share files, so I have no idea how this affects your broadband.

Melita-s 16. Nov 2016 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe A.TT (Post 119392)
It's possible you may have another problem here. I say so because pdf files can sometimes be pictures of text rather than the actual text itself. If that is the case, you won't be able to highlight and copy text from the pdf. In the case of tif files, they are definitely pictures of text. If it's really important to you, you can use an OCR (Optical Character Recognition) program to generate a text file. You should be aware though that OCR is not an exact science and OCR text will have inaccuracies here and there.

Just as you predicted. They are all pictures of text. PDF-XChange Editor (PDFXE) tells me that Adobe Photoshop had been used. I used the OCR function of PDFXE and the results were remarkably accurate. With Low accuracy selected, not a dot or a comma is missing or out of place in the text file. Even the two figures on the Photoshop .pdf page were precisely copied to the text file. See ‘DOCS-1’ at the link below. Selecting Low, Medium or High accuracy makes no difference in the quality of the text files, except for the time taken to produce them. One page of text only, with no spaces having diagrams, selecting Low, Medium and High accuracy takes about 3, 4 and 7 mts. respectively. If there are diagrams on the page (less text), it is faster. It also recognizes text automatically even if a language is not selected. In language selection, if more than one language is selected for text recognition, the above times increase proportionately (double the time if two languages are selected). They must have improved OCR. ‘Copy to clipboard’ function of the Camera of PDFXE was used here to ‘paste’ the image of the Photoshop pdf, for comparison with OCR text document.

When I saw the forbidding appearance of PDFXE menu, I tried the 'PDFXChange viewer' suggested by EldonW. For some reason I couldn't get it to work. It didn’t appear to download properly. That it is found in their 'Discontinued downloads' section may have something to do with this. Finger trouble on my part also must not be ruled out!
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Originally Posted by Anupam (Post 119401)
I think she means that she needs a translation software which will work right inside the program, like Adobe Reader, using which she can translate the content in that document, rather than copying text and pasting in Google Translate. I think QTranslate suggested by Joe looks like worth a try. Something better than nothing.

That’s what I had in mind at first. It would have been great, possibly with ‘Edit’ and ‘Print’ options. But QTranslate, even without those, is a great help. Fortunately, there is no character limit either. I am doing full text pages with it. This must be an improved version. If there was a character limit, it would be difficult to manage the 153 pages of 3 manuals that I now have to translate.

With PDFXE I made OCR text files, used Jojo Yee’s Google Translate (GT) link, copied and pasted the results to Notepad. Next I used QTranslate (QT) and did the same thing. There is no significant difference between the translations of GT and QT, but being on the Desktop, using QT is much faster than uploading to GT. Also QT works much faster than GT, one full page almost instantly. ’DOCS-2’ shows what an OCR page and the translated text from QT, pasted on Notepad looks like. As you can see much editing is needed. I believe that the nature of these documents, with circuits, equations, formulae, graphs and even the text itself with so many abbreviations and numbers with subscripts all over the place, produce this garbled result. ‘DOCS-3’ shows an OCR page with little of those things to distract QT, resulting in a clean translation ‘pasted’ on Notepad, where little editing is required.

But this type of page is rare in these manuals. So, now I select only the text, of one section of an OCR text page at a time for translation, and copy each translated section to a Notepad. Afterwards, I edit this Notepad, leaving suitable spaces for circuits etc. and print the page. Then I get a print out of the original OCR text, cut out sections of the sheet which contain circuits etc. and paste the cut outs in the spaces now found in the Notepad print out. I have already done 6 pages this way and they are quite nice. ‘DOCS-4’ shows the bottom half of a page – from the beginning of 2nd paragraph down to the end - that I picked out to translate, while trying out the above method. It has some abbreviations but the translation came out really well when ‘pasted’ in the Notepad.

Editing these documents is not difficult though time consuming – looking at the original document, I reposition text, delete, cut, copy, paste, type, print and use my pen to insert what I can’t do from the Keyboard. Thank you very much for making this possible.

If you think it is worth the trouble to see these documents, below is the link to the .zip file with the DOCS, I refer to above. It is named ZIP FILE. It is 3.24MB and VirusTotal says it is clean (0/55). Unfortunately, it is necessary to download the zip file to see them.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/8nucq3

If I have left out anything inadvertently, please ask.

Joe A.TT 17. Nov 2016 01:10 PM

Well, errrr... with the amount of work you've done, you are definitely more an OCR expert than me now. And yes, I imagine it would be a lot of work. One would need to have a serious interest - a labor of love, so to speak - to put in that kind of effort. But as you pointed out, it's one of your hobbies, so who can blame you?

The only other thought I had is whether you might be able use another program to aggregate your text and diagrams rather than printing them out on paper. A digital photo editor or scrapbooking program maybe?

Melita-s 18. Nov 2016 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe A.TT (Post 119540)
Well, errrr... with the amount of work you've done, you are definitely more an OCR expert than me now.

Not really Joe. It took me a couple of hours of stumbling and stubbing my toe before I had a semblance of skill at doing this. That Toolbar of PDFXE nearly landed me in the nuthouse.
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Originally Posted by Joe A.TT (Post 119540)
One would need to have a serious interest - a labor of love, so to speak - to put in that kind of effort.

Oh yes, labour of love it is, if anything. I inherited this from my father and this really is my first love. I was swept off my feet by the sight of those big glass vacuum tubes brightly glowing like a Christmas tree, and hearing those voices from faraway places coming out of a huge moving coil 10 inch loudspeaker of his trans-receiver. I could still picture how that huge black paper cone of the speaker was dancing in and out, in step with the audio. When my father saw how incurably bewitched I was, he took me under his wing even before I was a teenager. After almost 25 years of this, I am still the same 5 year old girl who sneaked into my father’s workshop when nobody was looking.
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Originally Posted by Joe A.TT (Post 119540)
The only other thought I had is whether you might be able use another program to aggregate your text and diagrams rather than printing them out on paper.

I owe you an explanation here. Most of what I have are Laboratory Instruments, the finest made at the peak of this technology. They are amazingly accurate and this is achieved with extremely complex circuit design. As a result, bringing a dead instrument back to life, frequency calibration, alignment or even troubleshooting and repair by soldering new components, need constant reference to the manufacturer’s data and procedures - manufacturer and model specific. A printed manual open on the table is the best for quick reference by flipping pages with the fingers. Bookmarks are easily fixed to the pages. It is also easily read from any angle, sitting or standing, the latter being often necessary because of the size and weight of these things. Next is personal safety. To attempt any work on these things that carry between 300 to 2000 Volts DC, without a printed circuit diagram, spread right there on the table, will only lead to the disaster waiting to happen. The manual pages show only parts of the circuit as necessary. The full circuit comes as a foldout in the manual, A3 size or bigger. I use photocopies of this, suitably highlighted and vital notes from the manual written on it, using different colours for easy reference. It is very kind of you to think of helping further, but printed sheets are essential.

I have with me, printed English manuals for the dozens of things I own. The manufacturers, or mostly their successors have nearly always obliged me by sending printed manuals by post. I once received English manuals for a Trio (later Kenwood), Signal Generator and Oscilloscope (both 1954), by DHL express from Kenwood, Japan!

This is the first time I had a problem with manuals and you have solved it, and in doing so helped me with my personal safety as well.

Kind regards,

Joe A.TT 19. Nov 2016 02:47 PM

I am happy I was able to help. Enjoy. :)

Fusion 22. Nov 2016 03:43 PM

Hi Melita,
I think u can try online translator service as alternative to Google Translate as:
- SDL Freetranslation - translate words, articles, documents into many language. It translate document in doc, ppt, odt, pdf & txt.
- Bing Translator, Reverso, Linguee...
Hope help

Melita-s 24. Nov 2016 09:10 PM

Hello Fusion,

Thank you for this information. I have not heard of this before. It looks good for normal translations. With technical documents Google Translate appears to be slightly better. I used both of them for a couple of documents and it helped me to edit the results faster.

Regards


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