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26Dolphins 25. Jul 2010 08:27 PM

Short-cuts order in Start Menu doesn't stay the way I arrange it (Win XP SP3)
 
Hi,

This is about my Win XP SP3 system, which I recently fresh installed.
I'm almost done with it, but now face a weird issue I never had before.

I like to keep my short-cuts in Start Menu arranged by categories (makes more sense to me) and not alphabetically. I've done this three times already and for some odd and completely irrational reason they have reversed back to alphabetical order all three times :confused: :eek:.

I did some searching, but stumbled upon a lot of links about how to keep them in alphabetical order :( and nth about the other way around :mad:.

Before I go through this for the 4th time, has anybody any idea why this is happening and how I could stop it once and for all? Is there a registry entry or sth?

By the way, I'm using Classic View and have that Windows "Defrag when Idle" thingy disabled.

Thanks in advance.

Anupam 25. Jul 2010 08:36 PM

I think this is happening because you are using the Classic View. I am having the other view on my system, and always had that. Its the default of Windows XP I think. On reading your post, I changed to Classic View. The programs sorted themselves by alphabetical order automatically. I also checked the options, and there is no other way to sort them, nor an option to set them the way we want.

If you choose the other view, you won't have this problem. I keep the other view, and I rearrange the programs to my liking. Never had any problem with that :).

Jojo Yee 26. Jul 2010 04:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 26Dolphins (Post 32824)
I like to keep my short-cuts in Start Menu arranged by categories (makes more sense to me) and not alphabetically. I've done this three times already and for some odd and completely irrational reason they have reversed back to alphabetical order all three times :confused: :eek:.

I'm totally with you to categorize shortcuts and that's a sensible move.

My understanding is that both "Start Menu" and "Classic Start Menu" keep the orders of shortcuts in each of their menus, but the order that you maintain in one menu will not carry over to the another menu.

If I stick to either of the menus, I see that the order that I arrange is being maintained until I right-click the menu and sort the shortcuts by name.

To me, it's not ideal to categorize short-cuts in either of the menus as it shows you the shortcuts captured from two separate folders, %USERPROFILE%\Start Menu and %ALLUSERSPROFILE%\Start Menu, and their program sub-folders.

My personal preference is to create only one folder to contain categorized shortcuts and use a built-in toolbar to access them. The good thing is that you can have categories nicely set up in one place, but you can't change the order of the items that are displayed alphabetically in each category from the toolbar menu.

Reference to accessing categorized shortcuts via a built-in toolbar: How to Create a Program Launcher

Pilgrim 26. Jul 2010 12:30 PM

If I go to Start/All Programs I have 37 folders containing up to 40 shortcuts.
Each folder is for a separate category.
I do not use the 'Classic' view.
They are all listed under ALL USERS as are all my startup programs. (I am the only user.)
If anything strays into my USER profile it is moved or deleted so there is no duplication.

I keep frequently used shortcuts in Quick Launch and none on the Desktop. (Apart from the Recycle Bin.)
I also have Tray Commander Lite for less frequent but regularly used shortcuts.

After trying various setups I found this the most efficient for my needs.

Jojo Yee 26. Jul 2010 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pilgrim (Post 32845)
I also have Tray Commander Lite for less frequent but regularly used shortcuts.

A click at the "Want More" from the Tray Commander Lite menu is leading to a full commercial version in its homepage which is rated RED by WOT. :eek:

Anupam 26. Jul 2010 01:45 PM

The home website of Tray Commander Lite is rated red by WOT. So, we would not recommend the use of the software. Although, its a possibility that the site is rated red because the company makes keyloggers.

Pilgrim 26. Jul 2010 02:06 PM

I do not use WOT so I cannot comment.
I downloaded Tray Commander Lite over 3 years ago, I suspect from HERE.

One of the reasons that I do not use WOT and I stopped using Site Advisor is that I found they were often giving misleading advice.
Sometimes there might just be a single issue on a site but the whole site gets flagged.

The link I have given leads to SnapFiles which I would be be very surprised to find listing questionable software.

I prefer to make my own decisions and trust in my security set-up to warn me of anything that I might miss, although it has never done so yet.
Having said that I respect the right of others to rely on such programs and apologise if my previous post was a problem.

Tray Commander Lite has never caused a problem and while I know nothing about the developer I would recommend it to anyone.

Anupam 26. Jul 2010 07:05 PM

Pilgrim, your previous post was not a problem, so don't worry. But yes, if you had provided link to a red WOT site, then we would have had to edit or remove it.

Here on TSA, we use WOT as a guideline/benchmark, because its the best service of the lot. Yes, as you said, sometimes the ratings are not accurate, but most of the times, they are. We got to have a guideline for the site, to protect our visitors, and we have chosen WOT for that.

You, and others are free to use any software. But, if they are from a red WOT site, we would recommend caution before you use the software. We also do not recommend software from sites with bad WOT ratings, unless we are sure that the rating is false because of some reason.

26Dolphins 26. Jul 2010 08:32 PM

Hi,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anupam (Post 32825)
I think this is happening because you are using the Classic View. ... there is no other way to sort them, nor an option to set them the way we want.
... I rearrange the programs to my liking. Never had any problem with that :).

It doesn't have anything to do with which type of View is in use.
I've always been using Classic View and never had this issue before.
You can manually rearrange them any way you like. Normally they'll stay that way, unless you right-click on one of them and choose "sort by name" - Jojoyee mentioned this in his post.

The good news is that since my last post it hasn't happen again.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jojoyee (Post 32831)
...
My personal preference is to create only one folder to contain categorized shortcuts and use a built-in toolbar to access them. ...
Reference to accessing categorized shortcuts via a built-in toolbar: How to Create a Program Launcher

Thanks for the link, I've made use of your tutorial a long time ago (long befofe becoming a member here) and it's the main "source" for launching my programs. I see you updated it, will go and have a look.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jojoyee (Post 32831)
...
you can't change the order of the items that are displayed alphabetically in each category from the toolbar menu.
...

I've solved this problem by adding a number with an underscore in front of the short-cut's name, e.g. 1_Malwarebytes.
I sort my subfolders in the same way, e.g. 1_Security, 2_System, etc.
Only problem remaining is that if you have folders and plain short-cuts inside a subfolder, the folders always get listed before the short-cuts and my numbering trick doesn't work.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jojoyee (Post 32831)
...
To me, it's not ideal to categorize short-cuts in either of the menus ...

I rarely use these short-cuts, but I alwasy sort them in the name of ... order, my sense of order.

I think I might even delete them - at least the ones I'm allowed to, as Windows has it's own view on this; I wanted to delete the "startup" folder, but it won't let me mumbling sth about it being essential to the OS to work (it's got desktop.ini inside, dated to the day I did the new install) - whatever.

Anupam 26. Jul 2010 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 26Dolphins (Post 32865)
It doesn't have anything to do with which type of View is in use.
I've always been using Classic View and never had this issue before.
You can manually rearrange them any way you like. Normally they'll stay that way, unless you right-click on one of them and choose "sort by name" - Jojoyee mentioned this in his post.

Oh OK. Thanks for the info. Actually, I have always used the other view, and in that I can arrange the folders according to my choice. When I chose the Classic View, the folders were in alphabetical order. So, I thought maybe it allows listing only this way. The sort option did not have any other options too.


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