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Old 18. Dec 2013, 12:38 AM   #11 (permalink)
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My Hard Drive :C: says I have 1.45 GB free of 74.GB and my Drive 'D' says I have 1.76 MG free of 208 GB, what can I clean up to retain some space? Do favorites take up a large amount of space. This is on my Asus Laptop- Windows 7. Thanks
When you asked 'what can I clean up to retain some space', my first thought was, what are you saving to your computer to fill it up? You need to see if your hard drive is full of apps or pictures or video files that are maxing it out. You may need an external hard drive to store these large files on. Sure cleaning temp files and junk files will give you some space, but I have a feeling its something you are saving that is taking most of the space.
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Old 18. Dec 2013, 08:57 AM   #12 (permalink)
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The default settings for Ccleaner, Wise Registry Cleaner or others shouldn't hurt anything. I would consider any issue encountered as abnormal (if the defaults are used) as I've run registry cleaners for years on dozens of different computers without mishap.
Sorry, but I will advise against this. Newbies, or average computer users should not tinker with the registry in any way, unless it's guided by an expert.

However safe the registry cleaners might be, I advise newbies, or average computers users not to use them. There are no significant improvements by using registry cleaners. Further, using registry cleaners will free up only a few bytes of space, and that's just insignificant.

You won't achieve nothing big with registry cleaning, but yes, if anything happens with registry cleaning, the problems may be a lot more for the user to handle... even making the system unbootable.

Time and again, we have always said on this forum to users to keep away from registry cleaning, and we repeat this again.
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Old 18. Dec 2013, 02:20 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Thanks Anupam.
I spend a lot of time on Tech Support forums (TechGuy.org) and one of the biggest items we have to help with is corrupted registries.
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My pleasure. And that's true, many computer systems are wrecked because of registry cleaners, or similar software, specially the one-in-all system utilities.
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Old 19. Dec 2013, 05:13 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Okay I'll refrain from this subject, but I respectfully disagree.
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Okay I'll refrain from this subject, but I respectfully disagree.
Joe, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. And, it's valid. However, you will find that the majority of us here recommend that people do NOT use registry cleaners.

We've all had our fill of having to help others who have done so and have not known quite what they were doing. It's just better to be safe than sorry. Plus, no one has ever pointed to a valid research project where cleaning the registry has sped up any computer or really helped it in anyway.
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Old 19. Dec 2013, 01:34 PM   #17 (permalink)
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... no one has ever pointed to a valid research project where cleaning the registry has sped up any computer or really helped it in anyway.
Kendall, that's a bit rough on Joe. His position is more easily supported than your last one.

Lots of people including several editors here have personal experience that is much more positive about registry cleaners. Here's one example from our forum discussion Registry cleaners- do we want them. There is a lot of useful information there which you might have forgotten. You did have at least one post in the thread.

I did work that partially replicated and largely extended some of Fred Langa's research where cleaning the registry provided performance improvements.

I've selected a couple of posts:
The first indicates some results that have sped up computers. NB The % Difference indicates the time difference compared with the original install.
The second provides some rough guidelines related to registry issues.

I'm interested to know why you reject such research and think it is not valid.
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Old 19. Dec 2013, 05:04 PM   #18 (permalink)
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A bit rough on Joe? Really? I said he had a valid point and that he was entitled to his opinion?!

On the other hand, I was a little dogmatic.

But, we could both do a search for "effectiveness of registry cleaners" and we could both find articles or links that would support our positions. It would become an endless debate with each of us finding new links or articles to support our positions.

While I may have been a little dogmatic, I stand by my position that registry cleaners create more problems than they fix. And, the average person should not use them.
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The most contentious software category has to be PC-system/Registry cleaners. Some users find them invaluable; other users consider them worse than useless.

A series of controlled experiments puts these apps to the test — and turns up some surprises.

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Table 3: All three tested cleanup methods reduced bloat and helped improve system performance.

These results make it clear that Windows 7 can indeed benefit from use of cleanup tools!

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And although I encountered no problems from use of the cleaners in the above tests, it must be said that the more advanced, expert-level cleaning tools can royally mess up a system if they’re used improperly or too aggressively.

So don’t risk destabilizing a solid system for a trivial gain. Stay within your own comfort and skill zone — and always, always, always make a backup before using any cleaning tool.

For me, the bottom line is this: I’ll continue using — and recommending — lightweight tools (such as command-line cleanmgr and CCleaner) for routine cleanups and expert-level tools (such as jv16 PowerTools) when simpler software isn’t enough.
Source: Putting Registry-/system-cleanup apps to the test by Fred Langa

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Incredibly, the time for a full boot went from under a minute (39 seconds) on the clean system to almost 10.5 minutes (629 seconds) for the bloated configuration.
I'd say most, if not all, of the programs must have added themselves to Startup.

Another thing is looking at figure 2 in the article, I see Fred had AVG, Avast, McAfee and Malwarebytes among the installed programs - isn't that looking for trouble? Wouldn't conflicts arise that can destabilize the system? Maybe that's why subsystems (like sound) stopped working?
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