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HPuser 13. Aug 2013 07:26 PM

Windows XP Home Edition?
 
I got my dad a new PC. I have his old one and I'm needing a copy of XP Home Edition to format it and reinstall the OS. It originally came with the disc but he cant locate it. Is there anywhere to download a legal copy. I have the COA sticker with the original Key on it thats still on the side of the machine. I just need the disc to boot to so I can get it done. I currently have Zorin installed but I plan to sell the desktop and I figure most would want the XP Home on it as lots of folks aren't familiar with Linux. Thanks for any help.

v.laurie 13. Aug 2013 08:10 PM

One of Microsoft's many unfriendly consumer practices is that there is no legitimate way to download a copy of Windows XP. There are sites with copies of XP but they are illegal and can be infected. You can try to get a disc from the original manufacturer of the PC. Note that even if you downloaded a copy of Windows XP, it would not necessarily have the correct drivers for your particular PC's hardware.

HPuser 13. Aug 2013 08:14 PM

Thanks for the reply. Thats a bummer. Wonder if Emachine will charge for a disc if I ask them for one.

HPuser 13. Aug 2013 08:27 PM

I went to Emachines website and on the recovery disc says XP disc are no longer supplied per Microsofts regulations.

Doobie 13. Aug 2013 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by HPuser (Post 91079)
I have the COA sticker with the original Key on it thats still on the side of the machine.

Even if you got hold of a random copy of XP Home, the key on the sticker won't work. One of MS's tools to fight "piracy" is to tie keys to specific OEM runs of XP. Ironically, this isn't a problem for pirates, just for legitimate users.

If you want to be legit, put a copy of Linux on it.

HPuser 13. Aug 2013 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Doobie (Post 91088)
Even if you got hold of a random copy of XP Home, the key on the sticker won't work. One of MS's tools to fight "piracy" is to tie keys to specific OEM runs of XP. Ironically, this isn't a problem for pirates, just for legitimate users.

If you want to be legit, put a copy of Linux on it.

Well I done installed Linux and for myself its ok but others may not like it. I didnt know this about the keys as I've fixed several windows 7 and XP Pro computers and used the key on the machines to activate them. I dont understand why XP Home wouldn't work. I just dont have a XP Home disc.

Doobie 13. Aug 2013 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by HPuser (Post 91089)
Well I done installed Linux and for myself its ok but others may not like it. I didnt know this about the keys as I've fixed several windows 7 and XP Pro computers and used the key on the machines to activate them. I dont understand why XP Home wouldn't work. I just dont have a XP Home disc.

Windows Pro versions aren't as locked down as Home versions.

Remah 14. Aug 2013 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Doobie (Post 91088)
Even if you got hold of a random copy of XP Home, the key on the sticker won't work. One of MS's tools to fight "piracy" is to tie keys to specific OEM runs of XP. Ironically, this isn't a problem for pirates, just for legitimate users.

If you want to be legit, put a copy of Linux on it.

Most random XP Home Edition CDs will be Retail rather than OEM so you can use them on any computer with a "generic" OEM license.

"Generic" OEM CDs can also be used for any OEM license. All my OEM XP Home CDs have exactly the same image which has worked with every license key (Retail and OEM but not Volume License) that I have used.

It is only "non-generic" OEM CDs, such as Dell's, that check the hardware and will not install on different brands of computer. But that doesn't prevent that license key being used on other hardware.

It is not legitimate/legal to transfer OEM licenses to another computer because it breaks the license agreement. However it usually works without any problem because the OEM license allows motherboard replacements which is difficult to tell from a whole computer replacement.

Remah 14. Aug 2013 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by HPuser (Post 91089)
I just dont have a XP Home disc.

The best place to get one in my country is second-hand from an auction site. They will probably have new packages as well with disk and license.

Doobie 15. Aug 2013 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Remah (Post 91113)
Most random XP Home Edition CDs will be Retail rather than OEM so you can use them on any computer with a "generic" OEM license.

Your post is pointless. The gentlemen in the OP won't find any copy of XP Home that will work with his key unless he gets that copy directly from Emachines, or from another Emachines owner of a similar model.

wdhpr 15. Aug 2013 04:23 AM

I'm a bit perplexed with this thread. I have installed Windows7 premium on a Hp and a Compaq computer. The windows 7 disks were for Dell computers (OEM) and therefore the price for each disk was a about $50.00 USD each. They installed with out a hitch and I had NO hardware issues. So do the issues you are mentioning specifically have to do with XP?

Sope 15. Aug 2013 10:23 AM

I've successfully re-installed XP Home on a number of desktop PC's using a slipstreamed SP3 installation disc I originally created from a HP machine following this internet guide.
All the PC's were from various different manufacturers and all activated without problem using their respective original licence keys.
The only difficulty can be in finding the appropriate drivers required for hardware components not covered by Windows, e.g. sound cards.

v.laurie 15. Aug 2013 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by wdhpr (Post 91139)
I'm a bit perplexed with this thread. I have installed Windows7 premium on a Hp and a Compaq computer. The windows 7 disks were for Dell computers (OEM) and therefore the price for each disk was a about $50.00 USD each. They installed with out a hitch and I had NO hardware issues. So do the issues you are mentioning specifically have to do with XP?

In my experience, Windows 7 has much better hardware support than XP.

Doobie 16. Aug 2013 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Sope (Post 91148)
I've successfully re-installed XP Home on a number of desktop PC's using a slipstreamed SP3 installation disc I originally created from a HP machine following this internet guide.
All the PC's were from various different manufacturers and all activated without problem using their respective original licence keys.
The only difficulty can be in finding the appropriate drivers required for hardware components not covered by Windows, e.g. sound cards.

You might have noticed that you're not using a legit Windows install disk. It's actually trivial to edit the install files to allow that kind of behavior. But, I suspect it's against the forum rules to advocate bypassing copy protections or simply grabbing a torrent of a pre-registered copy.

Sope 16. Aug 2013 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Doobie (Post 91184)
YI suspect it's against the forum rules to advocate bypassing copy protections or simply grabbing a torrent of a pre-registered copy.

I'm not aware that I've bypassed any copy protections in creating my own install disk from my own PC.
Neither do I believe it's against Microsoft's licence agreement to reinstall the original OS on a PC and re-activate it with it's own original licence key.

Remah 17. Aug 2013 12:18 AM

Microsoft's original EULA for pre-installed Windows XP Home Edition allows a backup copy only if there was no backup originally supplied with the PC. As most pre-installed systems had a backup partition then it is more likely that it is not legitimate to create a Windows XP install disk from an installed version of Windows:
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Back-up Copy. IF MANUFACTURER HAS NOT INCLUDED A BACK-UP COPY OF THE SOFTWARE WITH THE COMPUTER ON PHYSICAL MEDIA (e.g. CD OR PARTITIONED HARD DRIVE), YOU MAY MAKE A SINGLE BACK-UP COPY OF THE SOFTWARE. You may use the back-up copy solely for your archival purposes and to reinstall the SOFTWARE on the COMPUTER. Except as expressly provided in this EULA or by local law, you may not otherwise make copies of the SOFTWARE, including the printed materials accompanying the SOFTWARE. You may not loan, rent, lease, lend or otherwise transfer the CD or back-up copy to another user.
Even if there was no backup supplied with the computer, any attempt to be selective in what you "back up" means that it is no longer a backup. Likewise if the install disk is intended to be used on another computer:
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Separation of Components. The SOFTWARE is licensed as a single product. Its component parts may not be separated for use on more than one computer.

Remah 17. Aug 2013 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Sope (Post 91198)
I'm not aware that I've bypassed any copy protections in creating my own install disk from my own PC.
Neither do I believe it's against Microsoft's licence agreement to reinstall the original OS on a PC and re-activate it with it's own original licence key.

I think that Doobie is entirely correct in pointing out that you are breaking the license agreement by using the install disk on many computers:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sope (Post 91148)
I've successfully re-installed XP Home on a number of desktop PC's using a slipstreamed SP3 installation disc I originally created from a HP machine following this internet guide.
All the PC's were from various different manufacturers and all activated without problem using their respective original licence keys.


Sope 17. Aug 2013 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Remah (Post 91207)
I think that Doobie is entirely correct in pointing out that you are breaking the license agreement by using the install disk on many computers:

Ok, I stand corrected. Thanks for taking the time to look up the relevant information and highlighting it.

My intention wasn't to break any EULA. I was merely looking for a way of performing a fresh installation of XP on an old PC that has a legitimate licence key but no installation disks and a damaged OS or HDD.

Remah 18. Aug 2013 03:33 AM

It's a difficult situation. Even if you buy a second-hand disk the seller is likely to be breaking their EULA so you may not get a legitimate disk that way either.

Legally it is clear that consumer end-users don't have many options once Microsoft and vendors no longer provide install disks. This leaves you in a kind of black hole where you may not be able to comply with the EULA to get a legitimate Windows install disk. This happens because Microsoft's Support Lifecycle Policy makes it clear that support for consumer versions Windows (e.g. XP Home) only runs for 5 years or 2 years after the next major product release. Windows 7, rather than Windows Vista, is taken to be the replacement for Windows XP. That's why Windows XP Home mainstream support ended on 14 April 2009.

The problem is that most of us rely on extended support which is explicitly stated is for users of business and developer products. That's why the consumer install CDs stop being available well before extended support ends, which for Windows XP is on 8 April 2014.

In practice, many people resolve the problem by taking a moral position that Microsoft has failed to provide adequate support so they are morally entitled to do it themselves and create or use any install disk they want. Most people wouldn't do it if they thought Microsoft would pursue legal remedies.

The most legitimate solution to the problem is to upgrade to a fully supported version of Windows such as 7 or 8.

joeguru 18. Aug 2013 05:30 AM

What does any of this have to do with freeware?

Remah 18. Aug 2013 05:54 AM

You can't run Windows freeware without a functioning install of Windows. The same for hardware.

Sope 18. Aug 2013 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Remah (Post 91233)
In practice, many people resolve the problem by taking a moral position that Microsoft has failed to provide adequate support so they are morally entitled to do it themselves and create or use any install disk they want. Most people wouldn't do it if they thought Microsoft would pursue legal remedies.

The most legitimate solution to the problem is to upgrade to a fully supported version of Windows such as 7 or 8.

Many people don't want to, or more's the point, can't afford to upgrade to the latest Windows OS. It seems entirely reasonable that they should be allowed the opportunity to maintain the functionality of a PC (and OS) they have already paid for.

Remah 18. Aug 2013 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sope (Post 91247)
Many people don't want to, or more's the point, can't afford to upgrade to the latest Windows OS. It seems entirely reasonable that they should be allowed the opportunity to maintain the functionality of a PC (and OS) they have already paid for.

I think that both positions are reasonable but just don't meet in the middle because they have very different drivers. Fortunately Microsoft haven't made these things so hard to do that people are left with no options.

v.laurie 18. Aug 2013 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Remah (Post 91253)
Fortunately Microsoft haven't made these things so hard to do that people are left with no options.

Remah, could you explain what these options are? The only option that I see Microsoft offering is to pay for a Windows 7 upgrade and that isn't as easy to get as Windows 8. You can't upgrade to Windows 8 and keep XP software. You have to do a clean install. And an upgrade costs more money than many want to pay. Furthermore, a lot of old hardware that works fine in XP won't work well or at all in Windows 7 or 8. Or do you know of something that Microsoft is offering that I don't know about?

Joe A.TT 18. Aug 2013 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Remah (Post 91206)
...allows a backup copy only if there was no backup originally supplied with the PC. As most pre-installed systems had a backup partition then it is more likely that it is not legitimate...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Remah (Post 91233)
Legally it is clear that consumer end-users don't have many options once Microsoft and vendors no longer provide install disks. This leaves you in a kind of black hole where you may not be able to comply with the EULA to get a legitimate Windows install disk.

Remah, I'm trying to wrap my head around what you are saying :confused:. Some of this relates to numerous instructions I see on the internet on how to do a clean install of Windows 7 or 8. Specifically, is it illegal to download an ISO from Digital River and use it to do a clean install? Unless I'm misunderstanding, this is illegal. :eek:

joeguru 19. Aug 2013 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Remah (Post 91236)
You can't run Windows freeware without a functioning install of Windows. The same for hardware.

That goes without saying. But my impression was we are not a Windows support group, unless it's trying to get a freeware to work with Windows, which none of this is about.

Anupam 19. Aug 2013 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by joeguru (Post 91269)
That goes without saying. But my impression was we are not a Windows support group, unless it's trying to get a freeware to work with Windows, which none of this is about.

We have been over this before, here:

http://www.techsupportalert.com/free...o-windows.html

Looking at that, it's OK if we provide Windows related support.

George.J 19. Aug 2013 12:23 PM

I won't ever understand why Win8 removed the beautiful Aero feature that was present in Win 7.

Did you notice that Win8 looks just like Win7 in safe mode? :eek: Try it

joeguru 20. Aug 2013 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Anupam (Post 91281)
We have been over this before, here:

http://www.techsupportalert.com/free...o-windows.html

Looking at that, it's OK if we provide Windows related support.

I thought you nixed that idea.

Anupam 20. Aug 2013 08:19 AM

The suggestion to open a separate forum for Windows was nixed, not discussion on Windows. Discussion on Windows can be carried out in forum like before.

Jojo Yee 20. Aug 2013 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by George.J (Post 91297)
I won't ever understand why Win8 removed the beautiful Aero feature that was present in Win 7.

Did you notice that Win8 looks just like Win7 in safe mode? :eek: Try it

Because now the trend is going for a minimalist flat design. It's not Windows 8 only, but other mobile platforms such as iOS7 and Android's Holo theme too.

See also:
The design world is going flat, and that changes a lot of things
The Future of Design Is More Than Making Apple iOS Flat

joeguru 23. Aug 2013 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Anupam (Post 91329)
The suggestion to open a separate forum for Windows was nixed, not discussion on Windows. Discussion on Windows can be carried out in forum like before.

My observation is many topics seem like sort of a "pick your battles" philosophy. Sometimes its accepted sometimes its not when it comes to Windows and Hardware topics. Kinda depends if anyone wants to talk about it or not.

I'm not looking to argue the point(s). Just trying to gain an understanding of what is acceptable topics for discussion.

Anupam 25. Aug 2013 08:14 AM

Windows in itself is OK to discuss on the forum. But, Microsoft Office is not, because it's commercial, and does not come pre-installed on Windows.

No discussion on commercial/shareware products is allowed. Not even mention, except in some rare situations.


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