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Old 20. Mar 2015, 04:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The security firm Emisoft has made a study of bundled software at major download sites that is worth looking at.
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Old 21. Mar 2015, 01:37 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Similar results on HTG: Yes, Every Freeware Download Site is Serving Crapware (Here’s the Proof).

According to HTG it's not just a Windows problem, Mac OS X isn't immune.

Haven't heard of the problem on Linux.
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Old 21. Mar 2015, 07:31 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Both the articles on Emsisoft and HowToGeek are flawed in my opinion. It is quite unfair to put sites like Softpedia and MajorGeeks, which are not bundling their own installers, in the same category as sites like Download.com, Softonic, FileHippo, Tucows, which are bundling software with their own installers.

Softpedia and MajorGeeks remain a clean site, and they clearly indicate if a software contains adware, or not. Comparing them to other download sites is really unfair. They are providing a good service to the users in fact, making them aware of the bundled extras, where as other sites are taking you for a ride.

If they are providing links to software which do contain adware, then it's not the fault of these sites, it is the fault of the software developer who decided to bundle their software with adware. How are Softpedia and MajorGeeks at fault here? Atleast they are not bundling their own installers with the downloads.

Further, HTG makes it sounds like all freeware are crap, which is clearly not the case. If people totally started abandoning freeware, are they going to pay for the users for all the software they need? Yes, it is sad that most freeware are now bundled with adware, but atleast these can be avoided if users are careful enough. These sites should also be putting out articles on how to avoid adware while installing software.

Sadly, articles such as above only create confusion and panic, and they put the safe sites like Softpedia and MajorGeeks in bad light too. Totally unfair.
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Totally agree, Anupam. IMO both Softpedia and MajorGeeks make it pretty clear - near the top of the page - whether software is freeware or adware/bundleware, etc and both offer further information. They're the two sites I use for Windows software.

Taking Avast free AV as an example, both label it as ad-supported/bundleware but it's quite easy to avoid the unnecessary extras. It's a very reliable AV I've used for years without any problems.

There's a big difference between sneaky installs and clear options to accept/decline a potentially (probably) unwanted program and I think this is glossed over. The HTG articles seem rather sensationalist, they may alert people to the dangers of PUPS but, as you say, what's needed is a clear explanation of how to avoid PUPs while downloading and installing software.

Help is at hand! Here's some good advice from Midnight Cowboy: What Else Have You Just Downloaded? and here's v.laurie's collection of Best Freeware Download Sites
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Old 21. Mar 2015, 01:04 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Both the articles on Emsisoft and HowToGeek are flawed in my opinion. It is quite unfair to put sites like Softpedia and MajorGeeks, which are not bundling their own installers, in the same category as sites like Download.com, Softonic, FileHippo, Tucows, which are bundling software with their own installers.
I agree 100%. Not only that, but they are pointing fingers when they should be looking closer to home. Like almost every other site on the internet they are hosting ads. IMHO, some of these ads are just as potentially unwanted as the bundling which they cast in such a bad light. These ads are sometimes placed smack bang in the middle of an article so it looks like they are part of it. See...



So while HTG is telling people about all the evils of freeware they aren't telling you about the ads they serve. IMO, it's just a case of pot calling kettle black.
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Hi Joe, I agree, HTG should not be pointing fingers. That is a nasty site. I had to run Firefox without ABP and NoScript using a new profile to see the ads. There are many potentially dangerous ads there and the site load scripts from more than 30 domains. That site is as bad or worst than the sites they are complaining about.

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Good points MaikL. And I too use Softpedia or MajorGeeks for downloading software. Even FreewareFiles is a good one.

Good point Joe. HTG should first take a look at itself, instead of pointing fingers at sites like Softpedia or MajorGeeks.
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Sadly, articles such as above only create confusion and panic, and they put the safe sites like Softpedia and MajorGeeks in bad light too. Totally unfair.
Thank you Vic. And yes Anupam, I totally agree with you and others. HowToGeek conveniently doesn't mention it's own unacceptable practice of allowing trackers on it's site. This is what I found the first time I read the article. See image.
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Yea, it's quite a sad picture of the world out there.

And even if Emsisoft site does not have all that like HTG, their article is still flawed and it portrays Softpedia and MajorGeeks in bad light, even when they are clean.

I even support MajorGeeks by turning off adblocker on their site. Such sites need to be supported.
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Yes, good sites (such as, er, this one) need to be supported and ad-blockers can harm their existence, a point made by Martin Brinkmann on ghacks.net, another useful source of information.

It costs money to provide websites/message boards and giving away free software costs someone money. Advertising and 'bundleware' are two ways to cover costs and without them, or very generous donations, the web won't be free to surf and they'll be a lot less on it.

I can accept the necessity of adverts, even bundleware and, er, possibly even tracking. For me, the problem is irresponsible use: distracting in-your-face ads, sneaky foistware where you don't get a clear choice to accept or decline and tracking that's used for anything other than to serve 'personalised' ads (and even that concerns me a bit).

Seems many people don't have a care about their security and privacy and will click on any link to any website, download any great little freebie they come across and reveal all to the world on social networks. Other people go to great lengths to preserve their privacy, some possibly to the point of paranoia. Sometimes difficult to find a sensible balance.
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