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Old 19. Dec 2013, 11:02 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Although many will argue that registry cleaners are safe to use, and they have used it on many computers and all... still, the risk is always there.
Would you agree this could be equally true of any file/registry utility software? Are Reg Cleaners really any more harmful than other utilities when inappropriately used?
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Old 19. Dec 2013, 11:41 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Not really, there are virtually no benefits of registry cleaners. Uninstallers made for the product, specific registry fixes/tweaks, and manual registry editing should be the only ways you interact with the registry. Something that cleans possible junk entries is a placebo at best, depending on your luck.

File cleaners can save space, prevent fragmentation, and may improve performance due to large gains in the above. Most process interact more with the filesystem than registry, making their performance better (most noticeable in anything that searches/scans your drive). Of course there are dangers, but generally the risk is lower due to safer rules and better resilience.
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Old 20. Dec 2013, 02:27 AM   #3 (permalink)
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For benefits of discussion, let's quote here the beginning paragraph of the article by Fred Langa at Windows Secrets:

"The most contentious software category has to be PC-system/Registry cleaners. Some users find them invaluable; other users consider them worse than useless."

and the second last paragraph of the same:

"For me, the bottom line is this: I’ll continue using — and recommending — lightweight tools (such as command-line cleanmgr and CCleaner) for routine cleanups and expert-level tools (such as jv16 PowerTools) when simpler software isn’t enough."

I agree with Fred Langa in his findings. In my personal experience, I used CCleaner quite often especially when I found the PC took too long to go to stable desktop. In Fred Langa's article, he used 20 popular apps for testing and the time taken to full, stable desktop reduced from 83 seconds (after standard uninstall) to 41 seconds. This is a plus sign to me as I installed and uninstalled many more apps than just 20.

As a precaution, I did a backup of registry before each round of cleaning. Occasionally I also did manual registry editing for specific requirements such as tweaking certain apps, setting the keyboard default to numeric, etc.
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Jojo, for many of us here, I agree with you. However, to recommend to the casual user of our site to use registry cleaners, I think is a huge mistake.

As MC stated in a similar thread, we have to be careful of who our audience is. The typical computer user doesn't know as much as you and probably isn't going to make a backup of their registry before they use it.

For me, I've found no real benefit to using registry cleaners. In fact, when I used to use them, they created more problems.

I just think we need to be careful recommending them to our primary site visitors.
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Old 20. Dec 2013, 03:16 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Jojo, for many of us here, I agree with you. However, to recommend to the casual user of our site to use registry cleaners, I think is a huge mistake.
Thanks kendall.a and you've got a good point. At this review Best Free Registry Cleaner, I think we've had a good introduction to cover the precautions and targeted users.
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Old 20. Dec 2013, 12:28 PM   #6 (permalink)
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For God's sake let me make this clear.
I have been using Windows since it first came out and have been supporting it since before the registry was thought up.
I have always edited the registry to clean things up, but even so there are many instances of keys where even with my experience, I am not sure what to do with them.
How anyone can say that they can write a program to do what I hesitate to do manually, I do not know.
It is not as if I am not skilled either. I have written many pieces of commercially successful software in the past and not a few device drivers as well.
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Old 20. Dec 2013, 06:54 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Interesting. I use the CCleaner registry cleaner occasionally, have done for a long time, and can honestly say it's never given me an issue. But I think it's right to inform people who maybe are not so capable never to use it.

Just had a look at the Piriform site this afternoon to see what they say about the registry cleaner, found this page;

https://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/registry-cleaner

Reading it, the warning is there about tinkering manually with the registry. But then at the end they 'encourage' people to try it out.

Is that good, bad, responsible or irresponsible on their part? Bearing in mind that CCleaner is a very popular, free program.

Not trying to get a reaction here, just your thoughts.
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Old 20. Dec 2013, 07:54 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Their promoting CCleaner of course. The only way I'll support registry cleaning is by the user verifying every single entry, just like manual registry editing.

If you don't know what it does (and your system is running without issues), don't touch it (without a backup).
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This is a prime example of what was bread and butter for us at the time I was involved with live customers.

http://www.techsupportalert.com/cont...comment-113079

Yup - corrupted system mate, will need to reinstall Windows for you, please take a seat.
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Old 21. Dec 2013, 01:37 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Interesting. I use the CCleaner registry cleaner occasionally, have done for a long time, and can honestly say it's never given me an issue.
Me too.

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