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Old 30. Jan 2017, 09:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Mozilla has put the last nail on its coffin

With this brilliant dev giving up on Mozilla (Firefox) and most surely a few more to follow...:
https://www.ghacks.net/2017/01/28/fi...cksaver-quits/
I just wonder which browser will be my next default?

At the present moment it is a dual between Slimjet and Vivaldi.
They're both Chrome clones but so will Firefox be in the not so long future.

Can't someone or entity pickup from Firefox (open source code right?) and keep it alive just like LibreOffice did for OpenOffice?
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Old 31. Jan 2017, 04:18 AM   #2 (permalink)
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it's not just FF - even Opera changed it's code to be more inline with chrome.

& even the Internet itself is going down the plug-hole.
- too many vested interests in pushing their products.
try finding any information, that's without a pageful of irrelevant adverts.

ie: advertising will kill this WWW off, eventually.
or why else would FF change it's independence?.
- they all have to move to the Big System that is squashing everything else.
or fade into oblivion, like Netscape Navigator did.

it seems that Vivaldi may be a good choice, if it keeps it's minimalistic approach.
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Stuff evolves, especially in technology and not always for the better. Betamax was superior to VHS in many ways for example but lost out to the marketing power of the latter. Google too has so much clout now that Chrome code is always going to be a top runner.

Funny too how folks complain about advertising yet immediately get on the web to search for the best deals. Human life revolves around greed and envy although most say something else. Money drives the need and marketing is how it spreads.

An excellent example is how social media use is driving levels of depression through the roof, mostly based on envy.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/amitchow.../#5e43754b7e4b
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Interesting reflection MC!
The link only brings me to Forbes page though.
Can you copy/paste the text and deliver that in-depth article in some other way?

Anyway, plenty can still happen until 57 drops in.
Who knows! Maybe Firefox will still be the better option!

-update: for some reason, the Forbes article finally came through.
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I don't think Firefox is going to die away. I had thought that when Firefox started to imitate the Chrome look, it will start to lose its identity, but it didn't. It still maintained its identity, and I still like Firefox, and prefer it over other browsers.

I use a limited amount of add-ons, and they have all been working well so far.

I still have great hope for Firefox, and I still believe they will keep doing good stuff. Let's wait and see before writing them off altogether.
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-update: for some reason, the Forbes article finally came through.
The study was actually conducted by the University of Pittsburgh. This is an interesting result for a problem that many folks don't admit to existing. Why would they? After all, Social Media is the coolest thing since color TV right?

Folks old enough to think back to when the neighbors got a new car before Facebook will maybe remember that niggly feeling they got watching them drive off in it or cleaning it on Sunday morning. Same when friends went on some exotic holiday to Bali while they had to make do with Blackpool. But that was it, minimal exposure. Now every time they log in to Facebook there it is, pictures of the car and Wanda sunning herself on the beach. What's worse, being"friends" they at least have to like this stuff and even comment on how great it all is so then that minimal feeling of momentary envy suddenly becomes a rage of desire.
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With all due respect MC, this is a case of "don't just read the first few lines of the article"
For one, they don't make much of a difference between moderate usage and excessive usage. Then, there's this key sentence:
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It is possible that people who are depressed use social media to fill a void, according to lead author Lui yi Lin.
Also, I can't help but note that the report was published on April 1st
EDIT: I just realized that this got pretty off topic. Mostly agree with OP
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With all due respect MC, this is a case of "don't just read the first few lines of the article"
For one, they don't make much of a difference between moderate usage and excessive usage. Then, there's this key sentence:
As I said, those that don't want to see it, won't. Just like there's no link between violent video games and adolescent aggression or porn and sexual abuse.

Problem is, for me, I counselled both families and individuals about this very issue while I was still active in my profession and saw first hand the damage that it does. Never felt so useless in my whole life.

So, I'll say it again in the hope the message will at least get across to a few if not the majority. Social media is a curse. Fake news and fake friends can only serve to create a fake society. Skilled users can manipulate whole segments of the population for political, religious, commercial or whatever else reason they choose. Why do you think the Chinese government restricts social media access and employs legions of minions to post on their equivalents of Facebook and Twitter?

http://www.dallasnews.com/business/h...e-key-solution
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As I said, those that don't want to see it, won't. Just like there's no link between violent video games and adolescent aggression or porn and sexual abuse.

Problem is, for me, I counselled both families and individuals about this very issue while I was still active in my profession and saw first hand the damage that it does. Never felt so useless in my whole life.

So, I'll say it again in the hope the message will at least get across to a few if not the majority. Social media is a curse. Fake news and fake friends can only serve to create a fake society.
So your experience is that social media is a curse - but it also seems to me like you got the "worst case scenarios". And as they say in law, "extreme cases make for bad law". Yes, it can have detrimental effects if overused or abused, but it doesn't mean it's bad as a whole. For me, it's not a curse. I don't have fake friends, I make sure I know everyone I have on there. And here's the thing: I'm terrible at keeping in touch with people, and the fact that I have the connection over social media makes up for that to a certain degree - so for me, social media is a blessing, not a curse.
So your experience says it's a curse, mine says it's a blessing, and there's no scientific consensus. Won't the truth be somewhere in the middle?
Plus, I think it's interesting that you bring up violent video games - here's some food for thought: in Canada, for instance, violent video game sales are increasing (like everywhere else), yet youth crime is at a historic low.
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Yup, maybe "youth crime is at low" but do believe families are having less children too and society is getting older!

Do remember hearing from people who smoke pot how they started out with innocent cigarettes....

Palemoon is fast compared to Firefox, but like Edge, it only has a fistful of handy extensions.
Maybe even K-Meleon can beat Palemoon for extensions depo?
Vivaldi is promising but Slimjet is compatible with all Chrome extensions.
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